it was not the best first impression for either of us oh for you either well you didn't do anything hey guys welcome to these scrubs and soy

這不是我們雙方最好的第一印象。>>對你來說也是嗎？>>你什麼都沒做。嘿大家好，歡迎來到Scrubs and Soy

sauce podcast I am Mickey Rye I am Dr Kev and we are your Two Hosts it's just two awkward Asian people starting a podcast which by the way we've been

Sauce播客。我是Mickey Rye。我是Dr Kev。我們是你們的兩位主持人。就只是兩個尷尬的亞洲人開了一個播客，順帶一提我們一直

procrastinating on starting this for years and years now so two Winters have passed since we were supposed to initially start this lots of work we've converted our spare bedroom which is

拖延開始這件事好幾年了。自從我們本來應該開始的時候，已經過了兩個冬天了。做了很多準備工作，我們把備用臥室改造了，這裡

freezing down here and Mickey doesn't know how to she just came down here was like where do we start there's like so much equipment and so much stuff and

超冷的，而且Mickey不知道怎麼...她剛下來就說從哪裡開始？有這麼多設備和這麼多東西，然後

Kevin has done the honors of all the research and all the hard work to make this happen just know every time you listen to a podcast or watch a podcast

Kevin承擔了所有的研究工作和所有的努力來實現這件事。只要知道每次你聽播客或看播客

we are freezing down here because it's our spare bedroom and there's no we can't have the heater on otherwise the audio will have feedback and if you hear any chewing noises during this podcast

我們在這裡凍死了因為這是我們的備用臥室，而且我們不能開暖氣，否則音頻會有迴饋，如果你在這個播客中聽到任何咀嚼的聲音

just know that is lucky Rye doing his daily bone chewing routine can we zoom in on that is that is that part of editing a little intro so my name is

只要知道那是Lucky Rye在做他每天的啃骨頭日常。我們能放大那個嗎？那是剪輯的一部分嗎？一個小介紹，所以我的名字是

Mickey I'm a registered nurse and a content creator we currently have over 4 million friends on the internet on YouTube Instagram and Tick Tock combined but we make a lot of content about our

Mickey，我是註冊護士和內容創作者。我們目前在網路上有超過四百萬朋友，在YouTube、Instagram和TikTok加起來。但我們製作很多關於我們

relationship about our Asian American identities and also about medicine about our work as Healthcare professionals I'm Dr Kev I am a surgery resident here we are located in the Great Pacific

關係、我們的亞裔美國人身份的內容，也關於醫學，關於我們作為醫療專業人員的工作。我是Dr Kev，我是一名外科住院醫師，我們位於大太平洋

Northwest in Seattle Washington I am in year three out of six in my training so I've gone a long ways but still have a long ways to go currently I'm on a

西北地區的華盛頓州西雅圖。我在六年培訓中的第三年，所以我走了很長的路，但還有很長的路要走。目前我在

research here which means I can spend hours on Amazon buying all this equipment for this podcast welcome to the show and our goal is to kind of engage more with our community and share

做研究，這意味著我可以花很多時間在Amazon上購買所有這些播客設備。歡迎來到這個節目，我們的目標是更多地與我們的社區互動並分享

our thoughts in a more long form and thoughtful process yeah so the podcasts will have different themes some of them will be related to talking about relationships tips breakups hospital

我們的想法，以更長的形式和更有深度的過程。是的，所以播客會有不同的主題，有些會是關於談論關係技巧、分手、醫院

drama medicine Asian American identities being awkward Asian people like everything is going to be covered and we totally realize that not every episode will be for every person and that's okay

八卦、醫學、亞裔美國人身份、做一個尷尬的亞洲人，一切都會被涵蓋。我們完全意識到不是每一集都適合每個人，那沒關係

so today we're starting off with the story of how we met because it's quite a juicy one and we have told it in the past a little bit and privated that

所以今天我們先從我們相遇的故事開始，因為這是一個相當精彩的故事，我們過去有稍微講過，並且把那個

video did you know that I privated that video yeah so yeah I thought we would retell it here in a longer form where people can truly get to know us a little

影片設為私人了。你知道我把那個影片設為私人了嗎？是的，所以我想我們在這裡用更長的形式重新講述，讓人們可以真正更了解我們一點

bit better but I think there are also some interesting themes that we can discuss about dating and things in general yes absolutely Mickey will tell like 96 of this story that is not true

但我覺得也有一些有趣的主題，我們可以討論關於約會和一般的事情。是的，絕對的。Mickey會講這個故事的大約96%，那不是真的

so when I was in nursing school that is when I started my kind of like nursing Instagram it was initially my personal Instagram page which I then converted to

所以當我在護理學校的時候，那是我開始我的護理Instagram的時候。最初是我的個人Instagram頁面，後來我把它轉成

a nursing school Instagram page where I was posting you know pictures of me doing my clinical rotate or just educational content and I think around the time I had 30 000 followers and this

護理學校的Instagram頁面，我在上面發布我做臨床輪轉的照片或只是教育內容。我想當時我有三萬粉絲，這

was like 2018 just before you graduated right yes far before I graduated so I think it was 2017. so I was working really hard to grow my Instagram and back in the day

是2018年左右，就在你畢業之前對吧？是的，遠在我畢業之前，所以我想是2017年。所以我當時非常努力地經營我的Instagram，在那個時候

um we had what was called engagement groups which basically you would team up with like a group of like 10 other creators and every time somebody posted

嗯，我們有所謂的互動群組，基本上你會和大約十個其他創作者組隊，每次有人發文

you would send your post to the group and everybody would then go and like your post comment on your post it's just 10 people I was in school obviously so

你會把你的貼文發送到群組裡，然後大家都會去按讚你的貼文、評論你的貼文。只有十個人。我當時在學校，所以

it was very difficult for me to keep up with this engagement group and so I actually gave my login to Mama Rye so that Mama Rai could help me engage with

我很難跟上這個互動群組，所以我實際上把我的登入給了Mama Rye，這樣Mama Rye可以幫我在

the engagement group help me respond to comments I was like really adamant about growing at the time so Mama Rai was at home on this iPad helping me engage with

互動群組互動，幫我回覆評論。當時我真的很執著於成長，所以Mama Rye在家用iPad幫我與

people one day I actually got a really big fight with Mama Rai because I realized that she was randomly following people um and I was like Mom you don't do that

人們互動。有一天我實際上和Mama Rye大吵了一架，因為我發現她在隨機追蹤人。我說媽妳不能這樣做

like just you know engage with people comment but don't follow anyone because I don't know who they are and she was like well I followed these two last

就是你知道的，與人互動、評論，但不要追蹤任何人，因為我不知道他們是誰。她說好吧我追蹤了這兩個

people like I won't do it in the future but I just wanted to let you know that I followed these two people and the two people she followed they were both

人，以後不會這樣做了，但我只是想讓你知道我追蹤了這兩個人。她追蹤的兩個人，他們都是

medical students at the time one of them was Kevin and one of them is one of my good friends who's now an ER resident why did you follow me on Instagram you

當時的醫學生，其中一個是Kevin，另一個是我的好朋友之一，她現在是急診科住院醫師。你為什麼在Instagram追蹤我？你

had great did you think I was hot of course is that why you followed me or did you like me you were hot you're cute oh you

有很棒的...你覺得我很帥嗎？當然。那是你追蹤我的原因還是你喜歡我？你很帥。你很可愛。哦你

don't think I'm hot what oh my God this is not going well this is not going well for me this is no longer gonna be a two-person podcast I agree so Kevin

不覺得我帥嗎？什麼？天哪這進行得不順利。這對我來說進行得不順利。這不再是兩人的播客了。我同意。所以Kevin

followed me and Mama Rai followed him back so Kevin's like now under the impression that I'm following him are you not then I start messaging you and

追蹤了我，然後Mama Rye回追了他，所以Kevin現在覺得我在追蹤他。你沒有嗎？然後我開始私訊你，然後

you respond yes and what was what did you hit me with what was your magical pickup line I don't think it was any pickup line it was just like what are

你回覆了。是的。你用什麼撩我的？你神奇的開場白是什麼？我不覺得有什麼開場白，就只是說你在

you doing for school or yes Kevin asked me what specialty are you going into Super juicy very very juicy yeah and then it came into my general inbox

學什麼科系還是？是的，Kevin問我你要走什麼專科。超精彩的。非常非常精彩。然後它進到我的一般收件箱

because I was following him back and I was like who the heck is this person and then I look at his profile and then I figured out why mama I followed him

因為我有回追他，我想說這個人是誰啊，然後我看了他的個人檔案，然後我弄清楚為什麼媽媽追蹤他了

because in his bio it literally says the name of his med school which this man went to one of the best med schools in the country and then class of 2020.

因為他的簡介裡寫著他醫學院的名字，這個男人去了全國最好的醫學院之一，然後寫著2020年畢業

what's wrong with that's a fact okay yeah sure the reason I responded was because at the time I was actually still thinking about going to medical school right so I was pretty adamant about

那有什麼問題？那是事實好嗎。是啊當然。我回覆的原因是因為當時我其實還在考慮去醫學院，對吧？所以我對此很感興趣

going into medical school yeah so I was really hoping to get some advice from you so some ways into our conversations I am like oh like do you have any advice

進入醫學院。是的，所以我真的希望從你那裡得到一些建議。所以在我們對話的某個時候，我說哦，你有什麼建議

on getting into medical school I'm asking for a friend I feel like I did give you some advice at the beginning no you didn't well I was part of the

關於進入醫學院的？我是幫朋友問的。我覺得我一開始有給你一些建議。不你沒有。我是招生的

admissions committee right like I was interviewing folks and like doing stuff so I was really into the know it stuff you literally told me don't go that was

委員會成員，對吧？我會面試人們和做一些事情，所以我真的很了解情況。你就只是告訴我別去，那是

the advice that you gave me is that bad advice though no it's not it was a little um off-putting for sure I mean I think for a nurse to go into medical

你給我的建議。那是很差的建議嗎？不，不是，但確實有點讓人退縮。我的意思是我覺得對於護士來說去醫學

school I think there are situations in which that is fine but it's like so much easier if you just be a nurse be a nurse or like a nurse practice there's other

院，我覺得有些情況是可以的，但如果你只是當護士會容易得多。當護士或是開業護理師，有其他

pathways that are already existing that's true but Kevin just like was not giving me any advice or any help but randomly like every couple of months you

已經存在的途徑。那是真的。但Kevin就是沒有給我任何建議或任何幫助，但隨機地每隔幾個月你

would just slide in the DMS and say something completely random like oh my God step two was so hard or whatever the heck what was going through your mind

會滑進我的私訊說一些完全隨機的事情，比如天哪第二階段考試太難了或什麼的。你當時在想什麼

when you were just like randomly messaging me was there like a routine or just like oh you randomly thought of me so or saw me on your feed yeah very

當你隨機私訊我的時候？有規律嗎？還是你只是隨機想到我？或是在動態上看到我？是的，非常

natural yeah so I would get a message every couple of months and I would respond and we realized that we had a lot of random similarities where our

自然。是的，所以我每隔幾個月會收到一條訊息，我會回覆，然後我們發現我們有很多隨機的相似之處，我們的

lives kind of crossed paths we were in Japan at the exact same time when we were kids we were in SF in the same building doing research the same summer

生活有過交集。我們小時候在同一時間去過日本，我們同一年夏天在舊金山同一棟大樓做研究

of 2015. we were in La at the same time for college there was just like a lot of strange intersections and we also really bonded over this idea of being awkward

2015年夏天。我們上大學時同時在洛杉磯，就是有很多奇怪的交集，我們也真的因為作為尷尬的

Asian people going through Healthcare education so at this point we haven't had the opportunity to actually see each other in person no yeah so it's been like a couple years where it's on the

亞洲人經歷醫療教育這個想法而有共鳴。所以到這個時候我們還沒有機會實際見面。沒有，是的，所以已經過了幾年，都是在

Instagram and then on the Instagram on the Instagram and like I think an interesting story was when she actually gave me her actual cell phone number Thanksgiving or Christmas of 2019 yes

Instagram上，然後在Instagram上。我覺得一個有趣的故事是當她實際上給我她的真實手機號碼的時候，2019年感恩節或聖誕節。是的

when she was like we were talking about something that we probably shouldn't talk about but basically she's like it's so cumbersome to talk on Instagram we

當她說...我們在談論一些我們可能不應該談論的事情，但基本上她說在Instagram上聊天太麻煩了，我們

need to um I would like do you have a I want to switch so I can type on my computer and then I was like okay and so

需要...我想要...你有...我想換個方式這樣我可以在電腦上打字，然後我說好的，所以

she gave me her number but then I had an Android at the time so I was like Green Tech it was giving red flags all over

她給了我她的號碼，但那時我有Android手機，所以我是綠色簡訊。那是到處都是紅旗

but truly like I normally when I text I use my MacBook Pro because I like to type really fast and Kevin was trying to get me to tell him a story so genuinely

但真的，我通常發簡訊時用我的MacBook Pro因為我喜歡打字打很快，Kevin當時想讓我告訴他一個故事，所以真的

I was like I don't want to type this on my phone is that a red flag if someone has an Android phone it's not a green flag

我想說我不想在手機上打這個。如果某人有Android手機這是紅旗嗎？這不是綠旗

or it is a grade five because the tax bubbles are green uh no it's fine I think it means you're economical I feel like some of the Samsung phones

或者這是綠旗因為簡訊氣泡是綠色的？不，沒關係。我覺得這意味著你很節省。我覺得有些Samsung手機

are more expensive than the Apple yeah the Samsung phones are great low-key at this point it has been like three years of talking and we still have not hung

比Apple還貴。是的，Samsung手機其實很不錯。到這個時候我們已經聊了大約三年，但我們還沒有

out in real life well the juicy part is that Mickey never told me this but she was dating someone for most of that we were never I mean saying anything

在現實生活中見過面。精彩的部分是Mickey從來沒告訴我，但她那段時間在交往。我們從來沒有，我的意思是沒有說任何

sketchy and you never asked me if I had a boyfriend like it ever came up it was a conversation it wasn't there yet yeah there was no there's nothing that we

可疑的事情，而你也從來沒問過我是否有男朋友，這件事從來沒有被提起過，對話還沒到那個程度。是的，沒有任何我們

were talking about that would have been like inappropriate yeah to do in a relationship or anything like that I recently learned this word called on on Tick Tock called rizz

談論的內容是在一段關係中不適當做的事情。我最近在TikTok上學到一個詞叫做rizz

associated with this or no no I don't think you're using it in the right context it's okay though I appreciate the effort can you there's gonna be some

跟這個有關嗎？不不，我不覺得你用對了語境，但沒關係，我欣賞你的努力。你能...會有一些

listeners who are probably more like me can you explain this Riz phenomenon so I also was recently Exposed on Tech talk even though I was born on the 19th of

聽眾可能跟我比較像，你能解釋這個Riz現象嗎？所以我也最近在TikTok上被曝光了，儘管我是12月19日出生的

December which makes me 10 days away from gen Z they were like you are not gen Z you are 96 and so I don't know if I'm qualified to give the definition but

這讓我離Z世代只差10天，他們說你不是Z世代，你是96年的。所以我不知道我是否有資格給定義，但

basically Riz is like like a measure of your coolness from my generation it's like you've got game no is that sound roughly about right kind of except it's like unintentional you don't have to

基本上Riz就像是你酷炫程度的衡量。在我那個年代叫做你很會撩。那大概對嗎？有點，除了它是無意識的，你不必

like work for it it's just like there I see so we're we're talking about switching over to talking on the on the text messaging portion yes I think

努力，它就是在那裡。我懂了。所以我們在說換到發簡訊的部分。是的，我覺得

that's when we started talking a little bit more yes and then we started texting and then it started to get to the point where we were like basically texting 24

那是我們開始聊得更多的時候。是的，然後我們開始發簡訊，然後到了我們基本上24小時

7. but also because Mickey was now I think recently single at this point it was not that freshly it's your story or my story if you want me to keep telling

7天都在發簡訊的程度。但也因為Mickey現在我想是剛單身。那時候沒有那麼剛。是你的故事還是我的故事？如果你想讓我繼續講

the story oh my God so yes I had gotten out of a relationship and I was looking to kind of put myself out there a little bit more and just like reinforce whether

這個故事。天哪，所以是的我剛結束一段感情，我想讓自己多出去走走，就是確認我到底

or not I had Riz or not you know before I met you I was convinced that I was in love with you I was like oh my God I

有沒有rizz。在我見到你之前我確信我已經愛上你了。我想說天哪我

really like him like he didn't tell me this until like last year yeah I was really convinced that I really liked you because I felt like there were so many

真的很喜歡他。他直到去年才告訴我這件事。是的，我真的確信我很喜歡你因為我覺得我們的生活有這麼多

cool parallels in our lives and even though I never actually talked to you or seen your actual face I was convinced that you could be the one for me that's

很酷的平行之處，即使我從來沒有真正跟你說過話或見過你的真面目，我確信你可能是我命中注定的人。那

wonderful what was the deal breaker where what if your voice sounds yes I was like oh my gosh what if your voice was actually like a major red flag and

太棒了。什麼是破局因素？你的聲音聽起來怎樣？是的，我想說天哪如果你的聲音是一個大紅旗怎麼辦，然後

this entire thing had to go down the gutter and then Kevin calls me immediately and of course I don't pick off because I'm not gonna pick up but

這整件事就要完蛋了，然後Kevin立刻打電話給我，當然我沒接因為我不會接的，但

what would you have done if I just picked up I don't know would you have talked to me yeah okay well so anyways all this is going swell and at this

如果我就接了你會怎麼樣？我不知道。你會跟我說話嗎？會啊。好吧所以不管怎樣一切都很順利，在這個

point I had moved back to the Bay Area where my parents were and that's where Kevin was at the time so Kevin's like we should hang out and I was like yes

時候我已經搬回灣區我父母那裡了，那也是Kevin當時在的地方。所以Kevin說我們應該見面，我說是的

that's a great idea so we set a date we put it on the calendar it was a Wednesday that you were supposed to come to my house and we were gonna make

好主意。所以我們定了一個日期，放在日曆上，是一個星期三你應該來我家，我們要做

dumplings Kevin can hand make from scratch with dough flour make dumplings so he offered to make me dumplings which are my favorite food but then one of her

餃子。Kevin可以從頭手工製作用麵團麵粉做餃子。所以他提議給我做餃子，那是我最喜歡的食物。但然後她的一個

best friends is like what if this dude is uh crazy like is it okay for you to like meet him first time at your house which I think that's reasonable which is

最好的朋友說萬一這傢伙是怪人呢？你第一次見他就在你家好嗎？我覺得那很合理，這是

totally valid my friend was like you're crazy what if he's actually a creeper and you just let him into your house and I was like valid point and that was the

完全合理的。我的朋友說你瘋了，如果他其實是個怪人，你就讓他進你家了？我說有道理，那是

Wednesday and two days before that on the Monday my friend and I were gonna go into SF for just like a girl's day and that's where Kevin was at the time so

星期三，在那之前兩天的星期一，我朋友和我要去舊金山度過女生日，而那是Kevin當時在的地方，所以

she was like why don't we just have lunch with him make sure he's a normal person and then if all goes well then he can come on Wednesday I was like really

她說我們為什麼不跟他吃個午餐，確保他是正常人，然後如果一切順利他就可以星期三來。我想說我真的

not prepared to have this meeting I don't know have you ever been on a first date with your date's best friend it wasn't like a date though yeah it was

沒準備好要有這個會面。我不知道，你有沒有在第一次約會時約會對象的最好朋友也在場？這不算約會吧？是的，但這是

but it's the first time you're meeting and you were really cranky true or not yes because the night before this intervention I had gone to med school

你第一次見面，而且你當時很暴躁。對還是不對？是的，因為這次介入的前一晚我去參加了醫學院

prom with my girl bestie and we were up all night we didn't eat breakfast and we got up at 5am because we wanted to get photos of the Golden Gate Bridge and at

舞會和我的女閨蜜，我們整晚沒睡，沒吃早餐，我們早上五點起床因為我們想拍金門大橋的照片，而且

the time we were in our travel blogger era taking these photos and it was maybe like 45 degrees out freezing I'm cranky because I'm hangry but we have lunch

當時我們在我們的旅遊博主時期拍這些照片，外面可能只有大約7度。冷死了，我很暴躁因為我很餓。但我們有午餐

with Kevin and we decided to get dim sum yeah they also picked me up from where I lived I'm a poor medical student I didn't live in the best part of town I

和Kevin，我們決定去吃港式點心。是的，他們還來接我從我住的地方。我是個窮醫學生，我住的地方不是最好的區。我

would say it's kind of sketchy to drive to pick me up so my friend and I we go and we are on our way to pick Kevin up

會說開車來接我有點sketchy。所以我朋友和我，我們去接Kevin

yes it's kind of a sketchy part of the neighborhood it's a little bit of a red flag we're like okay it's fine we're driving we're driving and we're driving

是的，那是一個有點sketchy的社區，有點紅旗。我們說好吧沒關係，我們在開車，我們在開車

mind you at this point I'm convinced I'm in love with you and my friend like pulls up and she we see someone like waiting by the side of the road this man

記住這時候我確信我愛上了你，然後我朋友開過來，她...我們看到有人在路邊等。這個男人

is wearing like a rainbow flannel with a black backpack with jeans with the Cuffs rolled up and Dad shoes she was like do you want me to pull over or should I

穿著彩虹格子襯衫，背著黑色背包，穿著褲腳捲起來的牛仔褲和老爹鞋。她說你要我停車還是我該

drive away oh my gosh in the nicest way possible though this is the modern day romance and I was like oh I don't know what to do like you know like we should

開走？天哪，這是最好的方式說這件事了。這是現代浪漫。我想說哦我不知道該怎麼辦，你知道嗎，我們應該

all get like at least eat lunch we picked you up we picked you up from the side of the road you got in the car I think we were in the passenger seat I

至少吃頓午餐。我們接了你，我們從路邊接了你。你上了車，我想我們在副駕駛座，我

was in the back seat yeah my friend was driving I'm very introverted so I'm not the best at holding a conversation but my friend is very extroverted also we

在後座。是的，我朋友在開車。我很內向所以我不太擅長維持對話，但我朋友很外向。而且我們

were both in medical school you're just like tired yes I was exhausted half asleep but because they were both in medical school and taking like the same exams going through the same things you

都在念醫學院，你就是...很累？是的，我累壞了，半睡半醒。但因為他們都在念醫學院，考同樣的考試，經歷同樣的事情，你們

guys had a lot in common so the entire car ride and the entire lunch was you two talking and I just sat there I probably spoke five words to you yeah it

有很多共同點，所以整個車程和整頓午餐都是你們兩個在聊天，我就坐在那裡。我可能只對你說了五個字。是的，這

was not the best it was not the best first impression for either of us oh for you either well you didn't do anything well fun fact so they wanted to take

不是最好的...這不是我們雙方最好的第一印象。哦對你來說也是嗎？你什麼都沒做。有趣的是，所以他們想在

more photos after the event we went to get some well we were like okay yeah like we're gonna get this lunch we'll tell the story about the check the next

活動後拍更多照片。我們去...好吧我們說好的我們會吃這頓午餐，關於帳單的故事我們下次再說

time we'll leave that for for next time we were under the impression that we would have this lunch and then we would go our separate ways but in order to

我們會留到下次。我們原本以為我們會吃這頓午餐然後各走各的，但為了

part we were like oh we're gonna go take more photos and Kevin's like oh I'll come with you you didn't want me to come with you to take more photos I don't

分開，我們說哦我們要去拍更多照片，Kevin說哦我跟你們一起去。你不想讓我跟你們去拍更多照片嗎？我不

remember what I was thinking but clearly you came along with us we ended up getting like matcha soft serve and stuff and then we went to go take more photos

記得我在想什麼，但顯然你跟我們一起來了。我們最後吃了抹茶霜淇淋什麼的，然後我們去拍更多照片

and then we ended up back at the golden game why did we go back there because the bonus we took in the morning we weren't sure if those were good so we

然後我們最後又回到金門大橋。我們為什麼要回去那裡？因為我們早上拍的照片不確定好不好，所以我們

had to go back and take more photos this entire time Kevin and I are still not talking the entire situation is like low-key awkward they didn't get my jokes

必須回去拍更多照片。這整段時間Kevin和我還是沒有在說話，整個情況有點尷尬。他們不懂我的笑話

I think her friend asked me to hold her backpack I'm like no I was joking of course not and then like that's not that's a funny joke

我想她的朋友叫我幫她拿背包，我說不行...我是開玩笑的。當然不是。然後那個...那是一個有趣的笑話

now knowing your sense of humor it is kind of funny but back like on the first day we met because she was carrying like a 10 pound backpack and we were just

現在知道你的幽默感，這確實有點好笑，但在我們見面的第一天，因為她背著一個大約5公斤的背包，我們只是

like oh do you mind holding it while we like cue up the meter and he was like no no I said yes I'd mind we're back at the

說你介意幫忙拿一下嗎我們去投停車費的時候？他說不行，不行，我說是的我介意。我們回到

Golden Gate Bridge and if you know anything about the Bay Area in order to go to the other side where we both lived you can just take the bridge and go I

金門大橋，如果你對灣區有任何了解，為了去我們都住的另一邊，你可以直接過橋走。我

also live the furthest possible away in San Francisco from the Golden Gate bridge look I didn't know that I had you know I don't know SF geography so I feel

也住在舊金山離金門大橋最遠的地方。看，我不知道那個，你知道我不知道舊金山地理，所以我覺得

really bad but then we were like make sense for us to leave this way so then Kevin can just Uber home we left him to Uber home and I felt so disappointed

很抱歉，但然後我們想從這邊走比較合理，這樣Kevin就可以叫Uber回家。我們讓他叫Uber回家，我覺得好失望

because again I was convinced that you were going to be the love of my life and this entire first meeting was so far from my deal I'm like moping in the car

因為我又一次確信你會是我一生的摯愛，而這整個第一次見面跟我的理想相差太遠了。我在車上悶悶不樂

and the best part was that my friend took a wrong turn at the Golden Gate Bridge so we ended up having to Circle all the way back around and when we

最棒的是我朋友在金門大橋轉錯彎，所以我們最後不得不繞一大圈回來，當我們

circled back around we saw Chicago waiting for my Uber we saw give me the I feel really bad I was like I think my impression of that day was I'm like

繞回來的時候，我們看到芝加哥在等Uber。我們看到...給我看一下...我覺得很抱歉。我想說那天我的印象是我想

wow Mickey's like either really boring or really tired or both that's Savage but anyways I go home we're on the way home she doesn't text me for like a day no I'm still

哇Mickey要麼真的很無聊，要麼真的很累，或者兩者都是。那很狠，但不管怎樣我回家了，我們在回家的路上，她大約一天都沒發訊息給我。不，我還是在

responding just like as someone who has less social cues it was still obvious that it was like less of a priority I'm sorry you're not sorry

回覆，只是作為一個社交能力較弱的人，很明顯這變得不那麼優先了。我很抱歉。你不是真的抱歉

I do apologize I was gonna do like a ghosting slow fade kind of situation actually the following day I had a phone call remember I told you guys my mom

我確實道歉。我本來打算做一個慢慢消失的處理方式。其實第二天我接了一通電話，記得我告訴你們我媽媽

followed two people one of them was Kevin and the other one was another med student I actually had a phone call with him why did you phone call him I think

追蹤了兩個人，一個是Kevin，另一個是另一個醫學生，我實際上跟他通了電話。你為什麼打電話給他？我想

he called me about something why don't you pick up when I called you anyways he called me for something else and I I consulted him about the situation I was

他打給我問一些事情。你為什麼我打給你的時候不接？不管怎樣他打給我問別的事情，我就跟他諮詢了這個情況。我

like look I'm supposed to make dumplings with this guy tomorrow first meeting yesterday went super strange should I just cancel the whole thing or is that

說你看，我明天應該和這個男生做餃子，昨天第一次見面超奇怪的，我應該直接取消整件事嗎？還是那樣

too rude I was in Sacramento and he was an SF and that's a two hour drive roughly normally it's difficult for us to get to each other but Kevin coincidentally had a medical conference

太沒禮貌了？我在沙加緬度，他在舊金山，那大約兩小時車程。通常我們很難見到彼此，但Kevin剛好有一個醫學會議

that week which is why he got a rental car and was gonna be able to drive to me so I was gonna feel really guilty if I

那週，所以他租了車可以開過來找我，所以如果我

canceled that day and my friend was like no you should just at least make the dumplings maybe just like make it a shorter thing not like a whole day

取消那天會讓我很內疚，我朋友說不你應該至少做餃子，也許把時間縮短一點，不要搞一整天的

experience yeah wow and then on the morning of I was like hey I'm gonna start driving and she's like oh I'm not feeling so good I promise I'm not a

活動。是啊哇。然後在那天早上我說嘿我要開始開車了，她說哦我不太舒服。我保證我不是一個

horrible person but the morning of I felt bad that you had to drive two hours too so truly I also had a sore throat that morning so I was like hey I'm

很糟糕的人，但那天早上我覺得很抱歉讓你開兩個小時，所以真的，我那天早上也喉嚨痛，所以我說嘿我

really not feeling the best I know you have clinical rotations which you cannot skip or Miss in school I was on like an ed yeah walk so I had like three or four

真的不太舒服。我知道你有臨床輪轉是不能翹或錯過的，在學校我當時在急診科。是的，所以我有三四天

days off look I'm not feeling the best if you don't want to come and get sick from me I totally understand and Kevin not taking the cue at all is like oh I'm

休假。看，我不太舒服，如果你不想來被我傳染，我完全理解。Kevin完全沒有領會暗示說哦我

fine I see sick people every day so you decided to come anyways yeah what was going through your head when you were driving to me I don't know I was like

沒關係，我每天都看病人。所以你決定還是來了。是的，你開車來找我的時候在想什麼？我不知道，我想

should I actually finally talk to this lady lady what does she want from me am I gonna die why would you die I don't know but at this point I'm like not

我應該終於跟這位女士說話了嗎？她想要什麼？我會死嗎？你為什麼會死？我不知道，但到這個時候我

nervous at all because I'd already met you and like what could go wrong it already gone so wrong the first day die you knew I wasn't like crazy or anything

一點都不緊張因為我已經見過你了，還能出什麼差錯？第一天已經夠糟了。死...你知道我不是瘋子或什麼的

right yeah like I was harmless but at this point I'm like maybe we can be good friends oh okay yeah so say that still to this day yeah we are still good

對吧？是的，我很無害。但到這個時候我想也許我們可以成為好朋友。哦好吧，是的，所以直到今天也是這樣。是的，我們仍然是好

friends even though we're dating you came over immediately we were doing better because because I didn't wear the dad shoes yes you didn't wear the dad shoes and you were wearing a cute little

朋友，儘管我們在交往。你來了，我們立刻好多了。因為...因為我沒穿老爹鞋。是的，你沒穿老爹鞋，你穿了一件可愛的

Patagonia sweater you mean that medical school person outfit yes with some Adidas soccer pants you know I'm a sucker for Adidas soccer fans so immediately we were off to a better

Patagonia毛衣。你是說那個醫學生標配穿著？是的，配上Adidas足球褲。你知道我很吃Adidas足球褲這套，所以我們立刻有了更好的

start surprisingly I guess there just wasn't a third person there so we were able to just talk and flow and it felt like I was talking to the person that I

開始。令人驚訝的是，我想只是沒有第三個人在，所以我們可以自然地聊天交流，感覺就像我在跟我在

was talking to online so I hope so yeah but to be honest the whole shoe situation I I don't know boys men out there if apparel means this much and

網上聊天的那個人說話。我希望是這樣。是的，但說實話整個鞋子的事情我...我不知道，男生們，如果穿著這麼重要的話，而且

some things just give you the ick and I can't describe it you know they're not even dad shoes they're like the Nike kill shots they're very popular what was

有些東西就是讓你倒胃口，我無法解釋，你知道的。它們甚至不是老爹鞋，它們是Nike kill shots，很流行的。你的

your impression of me well I don't know if she was trying to be busy or not but the story didn't make sense but she's like I'm not feeling so well and it's

對我的印象是什麼？我不知道她是不是想表現很忙還是怎樣，但故事不太合理。但她說我不太舒服，而且

like I have dinner or plans with my parents I think you were trying to pull off the impression that you were super busy am I not super busy I I don't know

我跟我爸媽有晚餐或計畫。我覺得你試圖給人你超級忙的印象。我不是超級忙嗎？我...我不知道

I was pretty you're pretty busy then yeah I was working like four jobs at that point yeah like you were working in the hospital as a picu nurse and then

我當時確實很忙。是的，我當時做大約四份工作。是的，你在醫院當PICU護士，然後

you had your the startup thing and yes I mean there were multiple things that was juggling but then what was your impression when you actually got to hang

你有那個創業的事情。是的，我的意思是有很多事情在同時進行。但你實際上有機會跟我相處的時候印象是什麼？

out with me like you were pretty genuine I'm like I was pretty yeah thanks I knew that from the first time I met you okay we're pretty okay that's fine that's not

你很真誠。我是說我很...是的，謝謝。我第一次見你就知道了。好吧...我們還可以...那沒關係...那不是

the important part here I felt like the conversation flowed really smoothly and it felt like that first day had never even happened I think having that day is

重要的部分。我覺得對話流暢得很順利，感覺第一天從來沒發生過。我覺得有那一天

fine I think it's a hilarious to look back on would you like to continue to tell the story what happens late at night well I didn't want to drive back I

也沒關係，我覺得回想起來很好笑。你想繼續講這個故事嗎？深夜發生了什麼？我不想開回去。我

rented a car but to be honest I didn't have a car in undergrad at our medical school so I wasn't like the best of driving I'm okay at driving I just

租了車，但說實話，我大學和醫學院都沒有車，所以我不是最擅長開車的...我開車還行，我只是

haven't driven very much he got to my house at 2PM and we talk all the way until 3 A.M like we're still sitting there we're still chatting at this point

沒開過很多。他下午兩點到我家，我們一直聊到凌晨三點。我們還坐在那裡，還在聊天。這時候

it's pitch black outside and Kevin crack's a joke what do you say if I go home now there's no traffic or something so Kevin's like hinting that he wants to

外面一片漆黑，Kevin開了個玩笑說如果我現在回家就沒有交通或什麼的。所以Kevin在暗示他想

stay over if you remember earlier I did in fact say that I thought I was gonna be in love with this man and because I just moved to a brand new apartment the

留下來過夜。如果你記得之前我確實說過我以為我會愛上這個男人，而且因為我剛搬到新公寓

only thing I had was a twin size mattress which obviously I'm gonna sleep on you're not going to sleep on that so I actually intentionally ordered a full-size mattress for Kevin not for us

我唯一有的是一張單人床墊，顯然我要睡那個，你不可能睡那個。所以我實際上特意訂了一張雙人床墊給Kevin睡，不是給我們

just for Kevin to sleep on like in the guest bedroom but because that first meeting went so poorly I lugged that mattress which I'd not unboxed yet all

只是給Kevin睡，在客房裡。但因為第一次見面太糟了，我把那個還沒開箱的床墊一路

the way into my spare bedroom and stuffed it into the closet so that you would have no excuse to be like oh I want to stay over because if there's no

搬到備用臥室塞進衣櫃裡，這樣你就沒有藉口說哦我想留下來過夜，因為如果沒有

place for you to sleep like how are you gonna stay over who thinks of this idea of buying a mattress if you were like some of my friends or something like

地方讓你睡，你怎麼留下來過夜？誰會想出買床墊的主意？如果你是我的一些朋友之類的想

want to stay over so anyways Kevin's like hinting to stay over and I'm like yes of course you can stay over I don't mind do you mind I have a spare mattress

留下來過夜。不管怎樣Kevin在暗示要留下來過夜，我說是的當然你可以留下來，我不介意，你介意我有一張備用床墊嗎

but you have to get it out from the closet why is it in here if you just bought it why aren't you using this mattress and then you know it has to

但你得從衣櫃裡拿出來。為什麼在這裡面？如果你剛買的話？為什麼你不用這張床墊？然後你知道它需要

take like a day or two to like to inflate I was like sleeping on a deflated mattress it was not even that deflated he ends up sleeping in the

大約一兩天才能充氣。我睡在一個沒充飽氣的床墊上。它甚至沒有那麼癟。他最後睡在

living room we wake up the next morning and I have work so I'm working from home and Kevin goes and gets me KFC because that's what she wanted not because I'm

客廳。我們第二天早上醒來，我要工作，所以我在家工作，Kevin去給我買了KFC，因為那是她想要的，不是因為我

cheap I think we talked about biscuits or something I love biscuits then he drives home around noon that day do you want to talk about the rest of the early

很小氣。我想我們聊到了餅乾之類的。我愛餅乾。然後他大約中午開車回家了。你想談談約會初期剩下的部分嗎？

days of dating we had to backtrack because during that day we had a conversation talking about how I had relatively freshly gotten out of a relationship and how you had matched a

我們得倒回去，因為那天我們有一個對話，談到我剛結束一段感情，以及你有

coming up in two months we had a conversation we were just like sitting down next to each other and we're like it's probably not the best thing for us

match即將在兩個月後到來。我們有一個對話，我們就並排坐在一起，然後我們說現在對我們來說可能不是最好的時機

to do to get in a relationship right now for either of us so we should probably wait until like all these things pass and then get in a relationship if we so

進入一段關係，對我們兩個都是，所以我們應該等到所有這些事情過去，然後如果我們想的話再進入一段關係

decide you know you're in a state where you're like I could move if I want to or like I was also under the impression no

你知道你處於一種狀態，就像如果我想我可以搬家之類的，或者我當時也以為...不

no no no no stay in the Bay Area no no Kevin gave me the impression that we would stay closer closer to my home base the biggest thing was that this was

不不不不留在灣區。不不Kevin給我的印象是我們會待在離我的根據地更近的地方。最大的事情是這是

right before covid had started and that I think put into a lot of perspective like our what's important to us in our lives we had friends in the city but to

就在新冠開始之前，我想那讓我們對生活中什麼是重要的有了很多思考。我們在城裡有朋友，但

have someone I think it accelerated our relationship a lot so the first five or six meetings was pre-covered we had heard about this thing in in Asia yeah

有一個人，我覺得這加速了我們的關係很多。所以前五六次見面是新冠之前。我們聽說亞洲有這個東西。是的

and then like maybe five or six meetings and that's when like you know my school started saying oh there might be some cases in San Francisco and that kind of

然後大約五六次見面，那時候我的學校開始說哦舊金山可能有一些病例，那種程度

changed how we thought about life life and one of the things that Mickey did for me was that I didn't have a car so the way that I would go and visit her

改變了我們對生活的看法。Mickey為我做的一件事是我沒有車，所以我去看她的方式

was take this Mega Bus it was a five or ten dollar Mega Bus yes take it after work and go there and come back it was very romantic per se we we love the

是坐這個Mega Bus，是五到十美元的Mega Bus。是的，下班後坐它去那裡然後回來。這可以說是非常浪漫。我們很喜歡那個

place that the mega bus drops us off Sacramento it's one of our favorite locations but then she let me borrow her brand new car and I kid you not Cara

Mega Bus放我們下車的地方，沙加緬度，那是我們最喜歡的地點之一。但然後她讓我借她的新車，我跟你說，Cara

which is the name of my Toyota Prius was bran spanking new she was one month old I had not even driven her yet she had

就是我Toyota Prius的名字，是全新的。她才一個月大，我甚至還沒開過她。她

like 2 000 miles on there and so I drove her back to San Francisco well because I I didn't want Kevin taking the mega bus with this supposed coveted stuff at the

只開了大約2000英里，所以我把她開回舊金山。因為我不想Kevin坐Mega Bus，帶著那個所謂的新冠什麼的，當時

time right we didn't know what the situation was so I didn't want him getting exposed to other people on the bus so I was like why don't you just

對吧？我們不知道情況是什麼，所以我不想讓他在公車上被其他人傳染，所以我說你為什麼不就

take the car with you back to SF which was really nice but also kind of scary for me too it's a lot of responsibility yeah fun fact I was by myself in the car

把車開回舊金山？那真的很好，但對我來說也有點可怕。這是很大的責任。是的，有趣的是我一個人在車裡

when I heard that I had matched so how match process works is that you find out on Monday whether or not you match but as they don't tell you where right on

當我聽到我match上了的時候。所以match的過程是你在星期一知道你是否match上了，但他們不告訴你在哪裡。對的，在

Friday you figure out where right and I was actually driving there's traffic so I thought I'd reach back to the city by 8 am but they tell you around 8am and I

星期五你知道在哪裡。對，我當時在開車，有塞車，所以我以為我早上八點會回到城裡，但他們大約八點告訴你，我

was literally at the toll gate of the physical bridge in your car yeah when I was like oh I matched yeah so lots of memories in this little car I think

真的就在那座橋的收費站，在你的車裡。是的，當我發現哦我match上了。是的，所以在這輛小車裡有很多回憶。我覺得

something that's like probably so crazy for people to hear is us like quote unquote moving in to a place with each other though early on in dating and part

對人們來說可能很瘋狂的是我們這麼早就搬在一起了，在約會這麼早期就住在一起，部分

of that was because of kovid and the world shutting down right we each had our respective apartment the world shut down and there was nothing else for us

原因是因為新冠和世界停擺了。對吧，我們各自有自己的公寓，世界停擺了，我們沒有別的事情

to do it made sense for us to quarantine together at that point got to experience what life would be like if we decided to stay together life was like pretty

可做。我們一起隔離是有意義的。到那個時候可以體驗一下如果我們決定在一起生活會是什麼樣子。生活當時

simple then right like you couldn't you go grocery shopping I think at that point I was done with all my clinical duties at least the end that was the

很簡單，對吧？你不能...你去買菜。我想那時候我已經完成了所有的臨床職責，至少那個結束了，那是

time where I'd planned to go like traveling because that's what a lot of people do at the end of their fourth year of medical school we had kind of avoided fully defining the relationship

我計畫去旅行的時間，因為那是很多人在醫學院第四年結束時會做的事情。我們有點避免完全定義這段關係

until we knew a game plan of what was gonna happen from that point on and when Match Day happened and we found out that you would be going to Seattle that was a

直到我們知道從那時起會發生什麼的計畫。當Match Day發生，我們發現你會去西雅圖，那是一個

moment where we really had to decide like was I gonna move with Kevin or was I not and yes while long distance relationship is totally possible six years is a very long time

我們真的必須決定的時刻，我要不要跟Kevin搬去，還是不搬。是的，雖然遠距離戀愛完全可行，六年是很長的時間

um and for somebody who like had just freshly known each other yeah it's a big decision for make to sacrifice parts of your life to move to Seattle but also I

嗯，對於剛認識的人來說。是的，這是很大的決定讓Mickey犧牲部分生活搬到西雅圖。但我也

don't want to force you to do that as well we did make the decision to do that but we also had lots of things in place

不想強迫你這樣做。我們確實做了那個決定，但我們也有很多備案

where if it didn't work out it would be okay the apartment that we ended up getting the first year we were here was like very cheap very budget so very

如果不成功也沒關係。我們第一年在這裡租的公寓很便宜，很預算所以非常

affordable very affordable yeah in the off chance I decided I didn't like Seattle or something didn't work out between us Kevin would still be able to

負擔得起。非常負擔得起。是的，萬一我決定我不喜歡西雅圖或我們之間出了什麼問題，Kevin仍然能夠

pay that rent on his own yeah and then you still could go back to the Bay Area I applied to two jobs one of which I know for sure I finished the application

自己付那個房租。是的，然後你仍然可以回灣區。我申請了兩份工作，其中一份我確定完成了申請

I don't know if the other one I actually finished the app or not the kind of sign from the heavens was that I really only applied for one job and I ended up

我不知道另一份我是否真的完成了申請。來自上天的某種徵兆是我真的只申請了一份工作，我最後

getting that job I did three interviews and I ended up getting the job so that felt like a sign for me to go to Seattle and I was also looking for a change of

得到了那份工作。我面試了三次，我最後得到了這份工作，所以那對我來說像是一個去西雅圖的徵兆，我也在尋找一個節奏的

pace it was quote unquote her dream team job per se yes she was very excited for the two or three months yes it was leading up to the job yes it was a

改變。那可以說是她夢想中的工作。是的，她在等待這份工作的兩三個月裡非常興奮。是的，那是一個

specialty that I was looking forward to greatly it was a very big change from what I was previously working in I was like why the heck not like I have a job

我很期待的專科，那是與我之前工作的很大改變。我想為什麼不呢，我有工作

I have a man's like let's just go to Seattle what what would you say are your biggest takeaways or lessons from that experience lesson number one first impression might not be the best

我有一個男人，就去西雅圖吧。你會說從那段經歷中最大的收穫或教訓是什麼？第一課，第一印象可能不是最好的

impression yeah but also trust your instincts right like we it wasn't like a first first date or anything we had spoken to each other a long time I think

印象。是的，但也要相信你的直覺。對吧，這不是第一次約會或什麼，我們已經聊了很長時間。我覺得

texting you know people can spend a little bit more time thinking and so it's kind of a reflection of more of your inner characteristics it's hard for some people to make like a first

發訊息，你知道人們可以多花點時間思考，所以這更像是你內在特質的反映。有些人很難給人留下好的第一

impression and some people make really good first impressions and don't end up being the person they are I think for me I usually just have one one style like I'm just myself 100 always

印象，有些人第一印象很好但最後不是他們表現的那個人。我覺得對我來說我通常只有一種風格，我就是百分百做我自己，永遠

unapologetically himself like he doesn't ever feel the need to pretend to be someone else I think it's sometimes bad if I'm trying to make a good impression

毫無歉意地做自己。他從不覺得需要假裝成別人。我覺得如果我想給人好印象有時候這是壞事

and it's not my best impression but I'm working on it second lesson is that no matter what you do in a relationship people will judge you people will push

而這不是我最好的印象，但我在努力。第二課是不管你在一段關係中做什麼，人們都會評判你。人們會推

you you moved in too fast oh you still haven't moved in yet oh you still haven't gotten engaged yet people will always have an opinion on your timeline and nobody knows your timeline better

你，你搬在一起太快了，哦你還沒搬在一起，哦你還沒訂婚。人們永遠會對你的時間表有意見，沒有人比你們更了解你們的時間表

than you and your partner being able to figure out what's realistic and what's practical you can be honest with yourself I think your relationship will go much further also like relationships

你和你的伴侶能夠弄清楚什麼是現實的、什麼是實際的。你能對自己誠實，我覺得你的關係會走得更遠。而且關係

are you know about the two people that you're talking about but there's also so many other stakeholders employ like your friends your family your jobs right so

是關於你們談論的兩個人，但也有很多其他利益相關者，像你的朋友、你的家人、你的工作。對吧，所以

you have to be able to balance all those things and then most importantly like you're the one that spends the most time with the other person right yeah those can't overcome overall the your

你必須能夠平衡所有這些事情，然後最重要的是你是花最多時間與另一個人在一起的人。對吧，是的，那些不能超越你們彼此的

relationship with each other and at the end of the day you should still put it yourself first like if you are having to compromise yourself to be in a relationship with another person like

關係。而且在一天結束時你應該還是把自己放在第一位。如果你必須犧牲自己才能和另一個人在一起

short-term compromise I think is okay but long term you have to make sure your goals are in fact in alignment one plus one needs to be greater than two right

短期的妥協我覺得是可以的，但長期你必須確保你們的目標確實是一致的。一加一需要大於二。對吧

like you can't yeah you can't be less than two I like this little summary we had at the end of the Pod we should do this with every pod summary number three

你不能...是的你不能小於二。我喜歡我們在播客結尾的小總結，我們每個播客都應該這樣做。總結第三點

that was like point three already this is like number four dog has to like the person is that true yes animals have a really great way of telling people's energy

那已經是第三點了。這是第四點了。狗必須喜歡這個人。這是真的嗎？是的，動物有一種很棒的方式來感知人的能量

and if my dog does not like you unfortunately that is a massive red flag to me because lucky likes almost everybody remember I took off my Patagonia jacket

如果我的狗不喜歡你，不幸的是那對我來說是一個巨大的紅旗，因為Lucky幾乎喜歡每個人。記得我脫掉我的Patagonia外套

and just fell asleep on it he was obsessed with Kevin that was a green flag to me well anyways that is our very first episode thank you so much for

然後就在上面睡著了，他迷上了Kevin，那對我來說是一個綠旗。好吧不管怎樣這是我們的第一集，非常感謝你們

tuning in and we will see you guys next week for another weekly episode every Tuesday make sure you give this podcast five stars if you enjoyed it and just

收聽，我們下週同一時間見面，每週二會有另一集。如果你喜歡的話記得給這個播客五顆星，然後

give us some feedback we're just starting out with this process so if you there's any suggestions on how we can improve we're happy to hear it foreign

給我們一些反饋，我們剛開始這個過程，所以如果你有任何建議如何改進，我們很樂意聽取