have you ever walked into a room and been completely drawn into someone's personality they were like almost kind of magnetic and so charismatic and you're like what do they have and how

你有沒有走進一個房間然後完全被某人的個性吸引？他們幾乎有點像磁鐵一樣，非常有魅力，然後你想他們有什麼，我怎麼

can I have some of that this episode we're going to discuss how to talk to anyone all righty let's dive in let's do it hi I'm Jean and I'm Sheree and we're the

能得到一些？這一集我們要討論如何與任何人交談。好的，讓我們開始吧，讓我們做吧。嗨，我是 Jean，我是 Sheree，我們是

tiger sisters welcome to the season finale of tiger sisters yay I can't believe it's been 10 episodes yeah it went by really fast yeah it was right

Tiger Sisters。歡迎來到 Tiger Sisters 的季終集，耶！我不敢相信已經 10 集了。是的，時間過得真快。是的，真的

really fast um I am excited about the evolution of topics that we discovered yeah I think I think like some of the more recent episodes have been a lot

很快。嗯，我對我們發現的話題演變感到興奮。是的，我認為一些較新的集數更有

more like fun and not just like informative and hopefully the audience is enjoying that yeah I think we covered a lot of like professional stuff in the beginning mixed in some personal stuff

趣，而不只是有信息量，希望觀眾也喜歡。是的，我認為我們在開始時涵蓋了很多專業的東西，混合了一些個人的東西

and yeah it's just been such an amazing season you've done really well thank you I know thank you my first season your first season first time podcasting and

是的，這是一個很棒的季節。你做得很好。謝謝。我知道，謝謝。我的第一季。你的第一季。第一次做播客，

10 kind of just like flew by yeah and I feel like I'm also just getting more comfortable with like speaking on camera and being more candid and just being

10 集就這樣飛過去了。是的，我覺得我也在變得更習慣在鏡頭前說話，更坦誠，更

more like vulnerable and honest I love that for you thanks um okay so before we go any further please like comment and subscribe if you haven't already we have

脆弱和誠實。我很高興看到你這樣。謝謝。嗯，好的，在我們繼續之前，如果你還沒有的話，請點讚、評論和訂閱。我們有

such an amazing season 2 planned out and if you haven't seen the season 1 episodes like they some of them I honestly will say are so so good I so

一個很棒的第二季計劃好了，如果你還沒有看第一季的集數，有些我老實說真的很好，我

proud of them yeah and then also Jean and I read every single comment that you guys leave on our YouTube videos and so if you have any suggestions comments or

為它們感到驕傲。是的，然後 Jean 和我會讀你們在我們 YouTube 影片上留下的每一條評論，所以如果你有任何建議、評論或

questions leave them down below and we'll respond to them and maybe even bring them into our next mailbag in our next season and episodes yes so speaking of mailbag mailbag

問題，在下面留言，我們會回覆它們，甚至可能把它們帶到我們下一季和集數的下一個問答環節。是的，說到問答環節

mailbag okay so the inspiration for this episode actually came from a mailbag So Jamie colon said I would like to see the tiger sisters talk about how to talk to

這一集的靈感實際上來自問答環節。所以 Jamie colon 說我想看 Tiger Sisters 談談如何和

anyone and how to be a better communicator for the next episode you got it Jamie you got it Jamie we are does anyone get that reference yeah it's

任何人交談以及如何成為更好的溝通者在下一集。你得到了 Jamie，你得到了 Jamie。有人懂這個參考嗎？是的，

from Full House yeah I don't know it I I dabbled you watched Full House yeah I had the biggest crush on Uncle Jesse oh my God everyone did John

是《乖乖女孩》。是的，我不太知道。我涉獵過。你看過《乖乖女孩》？是的，我最喜歡 Uncle Jesse。哦天哪，每個人都喜歡 John

stos kidding it was like the definition of like '90s dreamy oh for sure okay I think a good way to start out this topic is to focus first on like work and

Stamos，開玩笑的，他就像 90 年代夢想的定義。哦當然。好的，我認為開始這個話題的一個好方法是首先專注於工作和

career aspects of talk to anyone yeah and then we can you know devolve into whatever Top This podcast might turn into um but let's start with like what

職業方面的如何與任何人交談。是的，然後我們可以，你知道，演變成這個播客可能變成的任何東西。嗯，但讓我們從

are some tips you have for talking to older people or more like senior people meaning like leaders in the company at like exec or maybe even people you feel

你有什麼技巧和年長的人或更資深的人交談開始，意思是像公司的領導在行政級別，或甚至是你感到

intimidated by I feel like you're a really good person this is a big topic cuz you can talk to anyone and like I feel like it's one of your super oh

害怕的人。我覺得你在這方面真的很厲害。這是一個大話題，因為你可以和任何人交談，我覺得這是你的超能力之一。哦

thank you yeah I think I really struggled with this when I first graduated because when you're like a 22-year-old in the workpl and you're like oh my God so much of my selfworth

謝謝。是的，我認為我剛畢業時真的很掙紮，因為當你是一個 22 歲在職場的人，你會像天哪，我的自我價值很大程度上

is tied to what I say and how I present myself it was really nerve-wracking but I think just getting more repetitions in and getting more practice and talking to

與我說什麼和我如何表現自己聯繫在一起，這真的很緊張，但我認為只是得到更多的重複和更多的練習，和

people who are older than you who have more like years of experience than you and like getting those reps in really helps but I think honestly it's a

比你年長的人交談，他們有更多年的經驗，獲得那些重複真的有幫助，但我認為老實說這是一個

mindset shift for where you're just like even if I'm talking to someone who's like five levels above me or the CEO of a company at the end of the day they are

心態轉變，你就像即使我在和比我高五個級別的人或公司的 CEO 交談，歸根結底他們

just a person yeah and like if you can connect on a human to human level um like no sucking up no like ass kissing it's like how do you connect with

只是一個人。是的，如果你能在人與人的層面上連結，嗯，不要拍馬屁，不要討好，是如何與

another person and genuinely be curious in them and what their story is and what they care about then I feel like that's where it becomes less scary well on the

另一個人連結，真正對他們和他們的故事以及他們關心的事情感到好奇，那麼我覺得這就是它變得不那麼可怕的地方。好的，關於

topic of getting rep getting your reps in and like getting exposed Ure I feel like one of the ways you did that was through your internships and at Morgan

拍馬屁這一點，這是我注意到你沒有做的事情。你不會拍馬屁。你不會過度恭維人。你是直接的。

Stanley I remember you interned there when you were in college and one of your specific assignments was to interview all these like VPS and other sort of leaders at the company for the project

我認為這是你能給資深領導留下深刻印象的事情之一。因為他們一整天都有人拍他們馬屁。

that you were working on you're making like an internal directory of information or something like an internal resource directory or something exactly and as part of my internship it

當你是直接的並且你有真正的想法時，他們會注意到。是的。我認為這也只是，我有一個理論是很多人

was my like role my job my project to talk to a bunch of Morgan Stanley technologists and vice presidents in their very like specific domain and a lot of it is just like

過度恭維因為他們緊張，他們不知道該說什麼，這是一個簡單的填充話。

asking questions being curious and then also knowing that you yourself have something to offer I think that's like a comment I see quite often on social

但我認為如果你能有一個真正的對話，問真正的問題並傾聽答案，那會給他們留下更深刻的印象。

media it's just like oh my God like you know I'm in high school I'm in college or like I'm a new grad like talking to these people who are much more

完全是。好的，讓我們談談網絡活動。因為這是人們感到害怕的地方。

experience is kind of scary cuz like what do I have to offer that well but so like how when you were doing it were you like were you nervous or were you like

是的。網絡活動可能讓人不堪重負因為有很多人，你不認識任何人，你不知道該說什麼。

oh it's just my assignment like I was told to do this I was definitely nervous because I wanted to make a good impression like I didn't want to like

所以這是我的技巧。第一，找到獨自一人的人。他們可能也在緊張。去和他們說話比進入一個群組更容易。

sound like an idiot but I think before even talking to the person doing like a lot of research Okay and like every conversation it goes well because I'm

第二，有一個開場白準備好。可以簡單到「嘿，你怎麼認識主辦方的？」或「你是做什麼的？」

prepared like I've done research on the person I know what their purview is and it's not like I'm asking like you know level one questions that I can just

第三，問後續問題。不要只是等著輪到你說話。真正傾聽並問關於他們說的話的後續問題。

Google I'm asking level 10 questions that only this specific person in this specific domain would have the answer to yeah it's kind of funny because I feel like shir's Corner was like an evolution

是的。我認為這是關鍵。人們喜歡談論自己。如果你是一個好的傾聽者並問好的問題，他們會記住你。

of like looking back on it now right like have you ever had that no I haven't I that's what you do for Sheree's corner so for Shere Corner Sheree's other

完全是。讓我們談談建立關係。因為網絡不只是收集名片。是關於建立真正的關係。

podcast that um is wrapping up its last season her other podcast was wrapping up its last season so she could focus fully on tiger sisters yeah she has interviewed some like true like Titans

是的。我認為這是人們做錯的地方。他們在活動中遇見某人，然後再也不聯繫。

of Industry like people who are just like I don't know like single name people kind of in a way for sure and but you do so much preparation for that yeah

後續是魔法發生的地方。在活動後 24-48 小時內發一封郵件。說很高興見到你，提到一些你們談話中的具體事情。

and that's what I think people don't see is how much behind the scenes goes into these um I mean the podcast obviously but then also just like having like

這表明你在傾聽。這讓你與眾不同。

one-on-one coffee chats with people like never ever go into a coffee chat like cold bare minimum is spending 5 minutes on their link in profile to know more

是的。然後隨著時間的推移，保持聯繫。不要只在你需要什麼的時候聯繫。偶爾聯繫。分享一篇他們可能感興趣的文章。

about them and that's like the bare minimum I would say especially if you're the person who is asking for the coffee chat and um you know in the like power

祝他們生日快樂。做一些小事來保持關係活躍。

differential is asking for help yeah I feel like that's a very good practical tip yeah I think one of the most powerful ways to talk to anybody is to

完全是。讓我們談談如何與不同類型的人交談。因為你與 CEO 交談的方式和你與同事交談的方式不同。

identify what your shared interests are or like even better like over time like cultivate some sort of like shared interests and shared experiences together like I feel like you have like

是的。所以當你和資深領導交談時，尊重他們的時間。他們很忙。直接說重點。

so much to say about that when I was in school one of the big things that I did and I would suggest that other people do as well is like join clubs or get

有準備。知道你想談什麼和你想問什麼問題。

involved in groups where you can like find a common interest for example in the last few months of my time at Stanford I helped organize co-organize the Stanford women's golf clinic and it

和同事交談時，更放鬆。建立融洽關係。閒聊是好的。這是你建立關係的方式。

was just you know a few of us ladies where we got together and we created three- week series to bring other Stanford women in business to go learn

和下屬交談時，支持和鼓勵。幫助他們成長。做一個導師。

golf together and we got so much feedback from these ladies that they're like this was amazing I've never played golf before this was so safe it was just

完全是。讓我們談談自信。因為這是很多人掙紮的事情。

like a good environment and then also like for example we had like a mini Creator Club at Stanford and it was just like common interest and it's not just

是的。自信是一種技能。它可以培養。它不是你有或沒有的東西。

at school too it's at work right and a lot of companies there are different sort of affinity groups that you can join and even outside of that like some

我認為建立自信的最好方法是從小處開始。從簡單的對話開始。然後逐漸挑戰更難的互動。

of the things that I've done is remember like I've created this with my friends like this annual retreat with my HBS girlfriends where we get together every

你做得越多，你就變得越舒適。這是肌肉記憶。

year in Newport it's about like 20 of us and we basically like have this weekend of like learning and growing together like reconnecting and bonding and it's like

是的。另一個技巧是提前準備。如果你知道你要進入一個讓人緊張的情況，準備你想說的話。

creating you can like you can actively create these experiences where you can like bond with people and like get to know them better well I think it also starts from like a shared understanding

有幾個問題準備好問。有一些談話要點準備好。這會讓你感覺更自信。

too like we all have a common something and then from there you create the shared experiences where you dive in even deeper um and one way we were able

完全是。讓我們談談肢體語言。因為它和你說的話一樣重要。

to do this at Stanford gsv that I absolutely loved was going on trips together big proponent of traveling together to experience things in a new way and speaking of trips you may have

是的。眼神接觸很重要。它表示你在參與並傾聽。

seen that Sheree and I recently announced our trova trip to Japan together which we kind of put together because we wanted to create this opportunity to bond with and build

姿勢很重要。站直或坐直。這傳達出自信。

community with all of you guys so you can find more information in the description in this video but basically it's going to be Jean and I as the hosts

微笑。它讓你更容易接近和討人喜歡。

of this trip but we will definitely have someone on the ground in Japan leading us and guiding us through all the different points we'll be in Tokyo and

點頭。它表示你在傾聽並理解。

then also near Mount Fuji and we'll have up to 15 people join us on this trip and we can't wait to spend time with you guys I'm so excited because I've never

完全是。這些小事可以產生很大的影響。讓我們談談一些最後的技巧。

been to Japan before somehow um but sh has been and she's like a total I feel like expert on Japan now because you've spent so much Japan on fire yeah and so

是的。第一，要真實。不要試圖成為你不是的人。人們可以看穿不真誠。

I'm like super excited to like get to know Japan and like experience it and also like have like her expertise and her personal experiences to guide us as

第二，要好奇。問問題。對其他人真正感興趣。

well um and I just think it's going to be a totally magical experience and I can't wait to meet you guys and to like get to actually spend time together face

第三，記住名字。使用人們的名字。這讓對話更個人化。

to face as opposed to just like messaging and like you know dming and like responding to comments yeah so excited for this and check out the link in the description for more details

第四，跟進。在你遇見某人後，發送跟進訊息。這就是關係建立的方式。

speaking of exposure therapy I feel like another way that we had exposure therapy was just kind of the environment and neighborhood that we were in growing up

我喜歡這些技巧。它們很簡單但很有效。

so Shu and I grew up on Long Island well actually I grew up in Brooklyn and then I moved to Long Island in the middle fourth grade I was born in Brooklyn yeah

是的。記住，網絡是一種技能。你練習得越多，你就變得越好。

and then Sheree moved when she was like I don't know three or four years old or something really young um but we grew up in what was essentially like a very

完全是。如果你喜歡這一集，請訂閱 Tiger Sisters 播客。在 Spotify 和 Apple Podcasts 上給我們五星評價。

white and affluent community and so I feel like yes there were many many times where I never felt fully comfortable because I was like one of one Asian

分享就是關愛。感謝收聽。我們下次見。

people like in my not just in my friend group but like in my entire grade maybe one of two actually but um and I always felt like I was very like defined by my

拜拜。

ethnicity but the like flip side of that is that I feel like I had to learn how to become very comfortable with people who were different from me yeah um yeah

種族，但另一面是我覺得我必須學習如何和與我不同的人相處自在。是啊。嗯，是啊。

I have like I have girlfriends who have told me who have grown up in California and they've like grown up with mostly Asian people and they're like yeah I

我有一些閨蜜告訴我，她們在加州長大，週圍大多是亞洲人，她們說是啊我

just don't feel I like to this day I still just I just don't feel like fully fully comfortable talking to white people like or as comfortable as I feel

到現在還是不覺得完全自在和白人交談，或者不像和亞洲人交談那麼自在。

talking to to Asian people so that's something I feel like never really gets like talked about totally um I mean there's so much to dig in there uh

所以這是我覺得從來沒被真正討論過的話題。完全。我是說這裡面有很多可以深入探討的。呃，

perhaps with a therapist for us but like I I loved I have other higher priority I know we have other things to talk about in therapy but underneath the surface

也許可以和心理師聊聊，但我——我有其他更優先的——我知道我們在治療中有其他要談的，但表面下

that is one thing but yeah I mean it there's both pros and cons like Gan and I grew up in a nice neighborhood even though we didn't come from that world we

這是一件事。但是，我是說有優缺點。像 Gan 和我在好社區長大，雖然我們不是來自那個世界，我們

were very much like exposed to that world and exposed to um the letter like behave yeah that world as a CH shows the ways of speaking the expectations some people would see

非常接觸那個世界，接觸那種——像是表現——是啊，那個世界，作為華人展現說話方式、期望，有些人會覺得

that as a j though for like oh you need a code switch I mean you know me I'm like the world is the world right are you going to exist in the world

那是個問題，像是喔你需要轉換身份。我是說你了解我，我覺得世界就是這樣，對吧？你要活在這個世界上

today and how can you change the world if you're not going to like be a part of it yeah and if you're not going to make yourself into a person of influence in

如果你不想成為其中一份子，你怎麼改變世界呢？是啊。而且如果你不把自己變成有影響力的人

the world today in order to affect change that's my perspective I agree with that but I I also see the other side as well but I guess all of that to

在今天的世界裡，為了影響改變——這是我的觀點。我同意，但我也看到另一面。但我猜這一切是要

say like it was a really good experience to be exposed to that so then we can kind of yes like looking back on it like at the time like did I enjoy being like

說，那是很好的經歷，接觸那個環境，這樣我們才能——是的，像是回顧它，當時——我享受

feeling alone and being bullied when I was growing up like no but now yeah but now now I like see the value of having been put into that

感覺孤獨和被霸凌嗎？不。但現在——是啊，但現在我看到了被放進那個

situation so maybe one takeaway out of all of this is that that wasn't something that we like opted into but it is something that you can opt into like

處境的價值。所以也許一個收穫是，那不是我們選擇的，但這是你可以選擇的，像是

basically you can choose to put yourself into situations that are outside of your comfort zone in order to kind of like learn more about different cultures yeah

基本上你可以選擇把自己放進舒適圈外的情況，以便了解更多不同的文化。是啊。

and and honestly it just goes back to like how to talk to anyone like I think that is a strength if you're able to relate to many different types of people

老實說，這就回到如何和任何人交談。我覺得如果你能和很多不同類型的人相處，這是一種能力，

especially if it's outside of the environment that you're comfortable with um and I think it'll be good professionally it it'll be good personally it'll widen your world view

特別是如果那是你不熟悉的環境。我覺得這對職業有好處，對個人也有好處，會拓寬你的世界觀。

and I think like yeah like talking to some and this is very this specific story is like some of our Asian girlfriends are are not comfortable with

我覺得是啊，像是和一些——這個具體的故事是像我們一些亞洲閨蜜對此不舒服，

it like you can stay in the comfortable spot or you can like lean into the discomfort and like grow in different ways and I I would argue it would help

像是你可以待在舒適的地方，或者你可以接受不舒適並以不同的方式成長。我會說這對

your career to do so yeah and one specific example I have of this is or like one or like one specific method you can do at work is you can seek out sort

你的職業有幫助。是啊，我有一個具體的例子，或者像是一個你可以在工作中用的具體方法是你可以尋找

of like opportunities to interact with different people especially senior people if you feel nervous about connecting with or you don't know how to talk to them seek out opportunities to

和不同人互動的機會，特別是資深的人。如果你對和他們聯繫感到緊張或不知道怎麼和他們說話，尋找

interact with them that are outside of your typical like meetings or like super like straightforward interactions where you're like presenting to them or like you know not the like cut and dry work

和他們互動的機會，那些是在你典型的會議之外，或者不是那種很直接的互動，像是向他們做簡報，或者你知道不是那種公事公辦的工作

interactions so like what's an example um when I worked at Goldman one of the things that my group did every year I don't know why but one of the things

互動。那有什麼例子？嗯，我在高盛工作時，我們組每年都做一件事，我不知道為什麼，但我們做的一件事

that we did was we put together this like holiday music video and it you still have access to it no but it honestly was so freaking good it was

是我們製作這個節日音樂影片。你還有嗎？沒有，但老實說真的太棒了。我

like I like so proud of it we and we like made ourselves like little awards for it too but anyway it was one of the things that we did and it was like dayt

超引以為傲。我們還為它做了小獎項。但總之這是我們做的一件事，每天

day like we thought we day to day like the work was so serious like everyone we literally thought we were doing God's work because that's what Lloyd had said

我們覺得——每天工作太認真了，每個人我們真的以為我們在做上帝的工作，因為那是 Lloyd 說的

to us Lloyd blank fine yeah he he was like doing God's work and I was like yes we are cuz I was like 2021 and I was like I'm doing God's work and everyone

Lloyd Blankfein，是啊，他說在做上帝的工作，我說是的我們是，因為那是 2021 年，我說我在做上帝的工作，每個人

took everything so seriously but we had this holiday video and I like volunteered or was volun told I don't remember to become one of the producers

把一切都看得很認真。但我們有這個節日影片，我自願或被自願——我不記得了——成為製作人之一，

and so my job was to help like write the scripts it was like an SNL thing to like write the scripts and like help like direct and have and like make the MDS

所以我的工作是幫忙寫劇本，像是 SNL 那樣，寫劇本、幫忙導演，讓 MD 們

and VPS like lip sync to all these these different songs you're like it's my job you have to lip sync Taylor Swift yeah and I would like give them these like

和 VP 們對嘴唱這些不同的歌。你說這是我的工作，你必須對嘴唱 Taylor Swift。是啊，我會給他們這些

costumes and it was just like so fun and it was a way to interact with each other oh I love that that was not work but it

服裝，超級好玩，是一種互相互動的方式。喔我好喜歡。那不是工作，但

was work but like it wasn't work no it was it was fun it was silly and you're able to like bring a fun side out of the

是工作，但不是工作。不，是好玩的，是傻傻的，你能夠帶出

VPS and MDS as well yes and then they get to like see me for a person too not just like a robotic minion Cog in the machine Cog in the machine but um yeah

VP 和 MD 有趣的一面。是的，然後他們也能看到我是一個人，不只是機器人小兵。機器中的齒輪。機器中的齒輪。但嗯是啊

so like I would just encourage even like other like now that I'm thinking about it like other little things like we had this annual um baking competition and like me like you know me

所以我會鼓勵——現在我想到了——其他小事，像是我們有年度烘焙比賽，像我，你知道我

I'm not a baker much less a cook at all but for some reason me and my my my friend SL uh fellow first or second year I don't remember which year this was

不太會烘焙，更別說做菜，但不知為何我和我的朋友/同事，第一年還是第二年我不記得了，

fellow first year Christine we were like let's enter the competition together and we made these um sticky toffee pudding cupcakes I will never forget this and we

同事 Christine，我們說好一起參加比賽，我們做了這些太妃糖布丁杯子蛋糕，我永遠忘不了，我們

won H yeah I know oh my God I no more shocked I would have been shocked that you won a bon competition but we like beat all of the like EAS and admins who

贏了。哈，是啊，我知道，天啊。我更震驚的是你贏了烘焙比賽。但我們打敗了所有那些有

had all these like amazing like pass down Rees but anyway that was just like another way for us to like like did we think we were good cooks or good bakers

超棒傳家食譜的 EA 和助理。但總之那是另一種讓我們——像是我們覺得自己是好廚師或好烘焙師嗎？

like no no but we're like okay let's just do it and then it's like another way to like interact with people and like have connections and also like make

不，但我們說好，就做吧，然後這是另一種和人互動、建立關係的方式，也是製造

little jokes right and like be and like it also helps if you're the one organizing the event as well cuz then you can bring people together and

小笑話的方式，對吧？而且，如果你是活動組織者也有幫助，因為你可以把人聚在一起，

everyone can see you and then come to you because you are the organizer I organized a baking competition at LinkedIn oh for my larger like team and

每個人都能看到你，然後因為你是組織者而來找你。我在 LinkedIn 組織了一個烘焙比賽，喔，為我的大團隊，

like or get copier I didn't even know you won your your sticky toffee cupcakes but yeah I organized this baking competition and got like Engineers on our team and like sister teams to like

或者——我都不知道你的太妃糖杯子蛋糕贏了。但是我組織了這個烘焙比賽，讓團隊和姐妹團隊的工程師

sign up and it really brought people together we were able to vote and everything I've actually done it twice and they were Mega successes people loved it and it was a way for

報名參加，真的把大家聚在一起。我們能投票什麼的。我其實做過兩次，都超級成功，大家都喜歡，這是

like us to engage it was a way for me to engage with people who were not on my team but on Partner teams and in different roles because it was super

我們互動的方式，是我和不在我團隊但在合作團隊不同角色的人互動的方式，因為是超級

cross team cross functional so designers came Engineers came data scientists came and it was a way to also talk to people but then also be known obviously it was

跨團隊跨職能的，設計師來了、工程師來了、數據科學家來了，這是一種和人交談的方式，也能讓人認識你，顯然是

for baking it wasn't for like she was known but it was also a way she was known for it was a way to get known you

為了烘焙，不是為了——她因此出名，但這也是——她因此出名——這是讓人認識你的方式。你

know okay yeah or that was like I was kind of making fun of it but you're right it is it's a way yeah it's a way

知道，好，是啊，或者我有點在開玩笑，但你說得對，是的，這是

for you to like put your name out there that is kind of like low stakes or it's just like a reason for people to like know your name and also like like talk

讓你把名字傳出去的方式，這是低風險的，或者只是讓人知道你名字的理由，也是

to you to engage a conversation in the next time I was in the micro kitchen and someone who like I literally don't even remember because since you're the organizer there's like so many people

和你說話、開始對話的方式。下次我在小廚房，有人——我真的不記得了，因為你是組織者，有很多人

you're dealing with they're like oh you organized it I like oh did you partake and like it was a conversation they're like I for sure partook like did you think something

你在處理，他們說喔你組織的，我說喔你參加了嗎？那是對話。他們說我當然參加了，你覺得

yeah no I for it was forsaken anyways um yeah those are good oh memories memories it's funny how like I'm like Oh my years at Golden scks all

是啊，不，我——那被犧牲了。總之，嗯是啊，那些是好的回憶。回憶。很好笑，我說喔我在高盛的那幾年，我

I remember so fun the music video and the baking contest yeah seriously those were probably like micro Snippets out of your I know it was like 1% of my time

記得好好玩，音樂影片和烘焙比賽。是啊，認真的，那些可能是你的微小片段。我知道那是我 1% 的時間，

but it is I mean it is yeah it's funny how that's what I remember about what I remember it all right what about communicating as a woman in the

但確實是——是啊，很好笑這是我記得的。好，那關於女性在職場中的溝通呢？

workplace this is a juicy one to of thoughts yeah I do um it's tough it also depends on the environment that you're in and workplace situation like especially if it's a super

這是個有趣的話題。很多想法。是啊，我有。嗯，很難，也取決於你所在的環境和職場狀況，特別是如果是超級

male-dominated field like Finance Tech um I don't know gaming like those oil and gas yeah if they're super heavily male dominated it's hard sometimes as a woman to be able to have your voice

男性主導的領域，像金融、科技、嗯，我不知道，遊戲、石油天然氣，是啊，如果非常男性主導，有時作為女性很難讓你的聲音

heard and there's like many many studies on this on like why that is especially in like workplaces with that Dynamic I would say if you find yourself there my

被聽到。有很多很多研究關於這個，關於為什麼會這樣，特別是在這種動態的職場。我會說如果你發現自己在那裡，我

number one tip is to find male allies oh who will be a able to pull you into conversations these are the people it could be your boss it could be a mentor

的第一個建議是找男性盟友，喔，他們能把你拉進對話。這些人可能是你老闆、可能是導師、

it could just be someone who's in meetings with you that you just really trust and for me this was my my boss Albert who we had a very close like

可能只是經常和你開會、你真正信任的人。對我來說是我老闆 Albert，我們有很親密的

relationship and like we would be back channeling all the time and then he would give me such good advice that like in a meeting if it's like quiet and

關係，我們會一直私下溝通，然後他會給我很好的建議，像是在會議中如果很安靜，

someone like ask something he's like it's jump ball he would like coach me afterwards and before it's jump ball meaning like any one can like chime in and like someone like lobbed a question

有人問什麼，他會說這是跳球。他會在之前和之後指導我。跳球的意思是任何人都可以加入，像是有人把問題

in the air chime in like you know grab the ball and you know take it so and then there there'd be times where there would be conversations happening in

拋在空中，加入，你知道，搶球然後帶走它。然後有時會議中有對話進行，

meetings and like I would have like specific knowledge on an answer but I'd be like too nervous to speak up and then Albert would be like dming me on slack

像是我對某個答案有特定知識，但我太緊張不敢發言，然後 Albert 會在 Slack 上私訊我

be like go take this you know this blah blah blah like wow a male Ally who is not only encouraging me to take the d jump Bowl but then sometimes even

說去拿下這個，你知道這個什麼什麼的。哇，一個男性盟友不只鼓勵我去搶跳球，有時甚至

putting like a layup for me anyway to like dunk it and then he'd pass it over to me that's amazing so it was not only

為我做助攻讓我灌籃，然後他會傳給我。太棒了。所以不只是

him being a male Ally but it was also me wanting to have like that wanting that exposure and wanting to speak up okay but then how do you how do you cultivate

他是男性盟友，也是我想要那種曝光和想要發言。好，但你怎麼培養

that like let's say didn't have Albert cuz I'm like okay he sounds like the best boss in the world like not going to lie he really was Albert if you're

那個？假設沒有 Albert，因為我覺得好，他聽起來是世界上最好的老闆。不騙你，他真的是。Albert 如果你

watching this you're a homie for Life Al's living his best life I know he is I need to I need to text him um but like let's say Okay Albert aside let's say he

在看，你是一輩子的好朋友。Albert 過得很好。我知道。我需要傳訊息給他。但假設好，Albert 之外，假設他

was this like outlier yeah what did you have other male allies that weren't your boss how you cultivate them yeah I would say for this one very tactical thing to

是個例外。是啊，你有其他不是老闆的男性盟友嗎？怎麼培養他們？是啊，我會說一個很實際的做法是

do is that like figure out who you admire in the workplace it could be a woman it could be a man um but if you're looking for male allies who are already

找出你在職場欣賞的人，可以是女性可以是男性。但如果你在找已經

in the room and already have influence like find someone that you trust like and that can be through you have coffee with them you Vibe and then after you're

在房間裡而且有影響力的男性盟友，找一個你信任的人，可以通過和他們喝咖啡、感覺對了，然後之後你

in a meeting together pull them aside immediately when the meeting ends and then ask them for feedback and be like that's s so scary I mean it's scary in

一起開會，會議結束後立刻把他們拉到一邊，問他們反饋。那——好可怕。我是說可怕的意思是

the sense that like your ego might be hurt because you're like oh I'm like seeking feedback but it's only for growth especially if you trust this person not even that even just like I

像是你的自尊可能會受傷，因為你在尋求反饋。但這只是為了成長，特別是如果你信任這個人。不只是那樣，即使只是

could imagine someone being like Oh my God like I couldn't imagine like going up to someone more senior and being like like even like pulling them aside even like approaching them but that's

我可以想像有人會說天啊，我無法想像去找更資深的人，像是——即使是把他們拉到一邊、即使是接近他們。但那是

something you have to like work up to I guess it's something you have to work up to but it's just like you're in a meeting together and you want to get

你必須努力做到的事。我猜這是你必須努力做到的，但就是你們一起開會，你想變得

better you've already had a coffee chat with this person like they know that you have an interest in growing you have like a growth mindset and then like you

更好，你已經和這個人喝過咖啡，他們知道你對成長有興趣，你有成長心態，然後

know when everyone's packing up their laptops and then everyone's leaving when the meeting's over like you can't you like you walk out of the meeting room with someone by your side and you have

你知道當每個人在收拾筆電、會議結束後大家離開時，你可以——你和某人一起走出會議室，你有

small talk yeah so what would you say pretend it to be I'd be like hey James hey really where I walk out and be like hey J Jes hello where

閒聊。是啊，那你會怎麼說？假裝是我。我會說嘿 James，嘿——真的——我走出去說嘿 Jesus，你好——在哪裡

sh hello this is based off of someone I know in the okay I'll be British um hello there I like hey so um do you have

你好。這是基於我認識的某個人。好，我會用英國腔。嗯，你好。我說嘿，所以嗯，你有

a second perhaps for you um well in this meeting um I just wanted to grab your feedback really quick if you had a couple of thoughts on how I presented

一秒鐘嗎？也許給你。嗯，在這個會議裡，我只想快速拿個反饋，如果你對我怎麼展現

myself what I said and how you think I could you know perhaps have more influence in the next meeting like what do you think what a thoughtful question I will most

自己、我說了什麼、你覺得我在下次會議中可以怎麼有更多影響力有一些想法的話——你覺得怎樣？多麼有心的問題。我一定會

definitely give you feedback yeah and and and you know if James is running off to L or has another meeting be like no stress you don't have to answer this now

給你反饋。是啊，而且你知道如果 James 要趕去吃午餐或有另一個會議，可以說沒壓力，你不用現在回答，

but if you can jot down like three thoughts like I'll catch you later yeah okay as as like a manager yes thinking about it now as a manager and a former

但如果你可以記下三個想法，我之後再找你。是啊，好。作為經理，是的，現在想想，作為經理和前

like team leader I would be receptive to that yeah I'd be like oh wow like what a thoughtful young person or just like what a thoughtful person who like

團隊領導，我會接受那個。是啊。我會說哇，多麼有心的年輕人，或者只是多麼有心的人，

actually really wants to grow I have thoughts on it they're not fully formed about communicating in the workplace as a woman yeah I think the like reality of

真的想成長。我有一些想法，還沒完全成形，關於女性在職場中的溝通。是啊，我覺得

it I feel like I'm like always the one that's like the cold reality of the world cold heart truth you don't know what this world is like yeah like you

現實是——我覺得我總是那個說冷酷現實的人。冷酷的真相。你不知道這個世界是什麼樣子。是啊，

don't you don't you don't even know you're not ready for the truth but God no but like I am you know I am like half a generation older than Shere so I do

你不知道，你不知道。你還沒準備好面對真相。天啊不。但我是，你知道，我比 Sheree 大半個世代，所以我

think the reality of it is that you may not necessarily be in control of everything right like as a woman like you are still existing in a broader context and you exist in

覺得現實是你不一定能控制一切，對吧？作為女性，你仍然存在於一個更大的背景中，你存在於

the context of coconut you think you just fell out of a coconut tree exactly I think what I'm trying to say is that it's helpful to also be aware of how

椰子的背景中——你覺得你是從椰子樹上掉下來的嗎？沒錯。我想說的是，了解別人如何

other people perceive you and it may not even be specific to you it may be like you as a category right like you as a 25-year-old woman how are you perceived

看待你也是有幫助的，這可能不是特定於你，可能是像你作為一個類別，對吧？像是你作為 25 歲的女性，別人怎麼看你？

you as a 30-year-old not single woman how are you perceived like you know how there's been a lot of discussion about the idea of the manic pixie dream girl I

你作為 30 歲非單身女性，別人怎麼看你？像是你知道有很多關於瘋狂精靈夢幻女孩概念的討論。我

feel like there's a version of it that carries over to the workplace as well where like when you are a certain age and you act a certain way you're kind of

覺得有個版本延續到職場，像是當你在某個年齡、以某種方式表現時，你有點

viewed as more of like Bean gen new like you're like new to the world like you're new you're young enough that people don't perceive you as a threat yeah they don't take you

被視為更像是——新人——像是你對世界是新的——你是新的，你夠年輕，人們不覺得你是威脅。是啊，他們不把你

seriously you're you're you're fresh out of school great you have all this fresh energy good job yes right so that's like kind of but also it's to your benefit

當回事。你——你——你剛畢業，很好，你有這些新鮮的精力。做得好。是的，對吧？所以那有點——但也對你有利

right because if you go up and ask someone senior like oh can you give me feedback they will be fully honest with you and be like trying to help you yeah

對吧？因為如果你去問資深的人喔你能給我反饋嗎？他們會完全誠實地想幫助你。是啊，

as opposed to When You Reach a certain point when you're no longer like viewed as the anenu and um you are like a little bit more senior in your career

相對於當你到達某個點，不再被視為新人，你在職業上更資深，

like those same tactics may or may not go over the same way because then you kind of start to be viewed as like competition yeah totally so it's kind of

那些同樣的策略可能效果不同，因為你開始被視為競爭對手。是啊，完全。所以有點

like you get some beginners like leeway yeah so that's just something that I've seen that I myself and I and my like fellow Millennial women I feel like

像是你有一些新手的寬容。是啊。所以這是我看到的，我自己和我的千禧世代女性朋友們，我覺得

we've like been working our way through and I don't really have an answer to that but it's just something that can be like watch out for like be aware of it

我們一直在經歷這個，我沒有答案，但這是需要注意的——要意識到它

and like understand how you are being perceived by the people you interact with totally I think I mean I go it's especially we're talking about the context of women in the workplace but I

並了解你和互動的人如何被看待。完全。我覺得我是說——我們談的是女性在職場的背景，但我

think like men as well um especially maybe minority men as well like like are placed in some sort of like stereotype yeah um I know one of my friends who

覺得男性也是，嗯，特別是少數族裔男性，也被放進某種刻板印象。是啊。嗯，我知道我一個朋友

worked in Venture Capital he was one of like the youngest Partners at a VC firm amongst like other people who were probably like 20 to 35 years older than

在創投工作，他是 VC 公司最年輕的合夥人之一，其他人可能比他大 20 到 35 歲，

him and then he had gotten married but then he like very specifically like wanted to get married and have a ring to seem older than he actually was and he

然後他結婚了，但他非常刻意地想結婚戴戒指來看起來比實際年齡大，他

was very mature and like but like in that way it's like understanding your reputation and how do you manage it and then perhaps surprise people if you know

非常成熟，像是——但那樣是了解你的名聲並管理它，然後如果你知道他們對你有刻板印象，也許會讓人驚喜

they have a stereotype of you and you completely break out of that in a good way yeah and I do feel like that sort of benefit that men get in the workplace of

你完全打破那個刻板印象，以好的方式。是啊，我確實覺得男性在職場得到的那種好處，

like being married and like having kids like just think about your own perception of like a man with kids like you're automatically like oh my God he's

像是結婚和有小孩——想想你對有小孩的男性的看法——你自動就覺得天啊，他

a great he's a good person he's a fun respons like he's responsible he is you know like thoughtful Etc versus like women don't get that same sort of

是個好人，他有趣、負責任，他是，你知道，體貼等等。相對於女性沒有得到那種

benefit of the doubt or like immediate positive shift in um perception I Meed anything it could be like the other way oh yeah true true that's so

自動正面轉變或好感。我是說任何事情，可能是相反的。喔是啊，對對。那好

unfair yeah so I I don't know that wasn't like a fully fully formed thought but it's like something there's something there yeah I so I guess like

不公平。是啊，所以我不知道，那不是完全成形的想法，但那裡面有些東西。是啊。我猜

the main takeaway is that like be aware of what how you may be perceived for whether it's fair or not like in the workplace um and many times perception can be

主要的收穫是，注意你可能在職場中被如何看待，不管公不公平。嗯，很多時候看法可以

reality what you w you weren't ready for that truth Bond yeah so what do you think about communication when it comes to dating and flirting um thoughts thoughts I

變成現實。什麼——你沒準備好面對那個真相。龐德。是啊，那你對約會和調情的溝通怎麼看？嗯，想法想法。我

think okay I think even the kind of like precursor to explicit communication is like your energy MH because Vibes yeah cuz I feel like something what you laugh F communicating through

覺得好，我覺得在明確溝通之前的先決條件是你的能量。嗯。因為 Vibes。是啊，因為我覺得有什麼——你笑什麼？通過

energy more energy more energy more energyy more passion more passion more passion um no but I just feel like for myself and my own experience I feel like

能量溝通。更多能量，更多能量，更多能量，更多熱情，更多熱情，更多熱情。嗯，不，但我只是覺得對我自己和我的經驗，我覺得

in the last like few months like something has shifted in my energy whereas like I'll be going back to the same exact places and situations but now

在過去幾個月，我的能量有了轉變，像是我會去同樣的地方和情況，但現在

all of a sudden like people are like approaching me and like people are like coming up to me and like speaking to me you know oh I love that yeah you're like

突然人們開始接近我，人們來找我說話，你知道。喔我好喜歡。是啊，你更

more you're more open I think so you're like radiating you're magnetic or maybe I'm just not wearing an engagement ring anymore that that that might be part of it but no I I

開放。我覺得是。你在發光，你有磁力。或者也許我只是沒戴訂婚戒指了。那——那可能是部分原因。但不，我

don't know I think it's not it's not just that I think it's more like my energy has shifted did yeah and also it's like both my energy that I'm

不知道，我覺得不只是那個。我覺得更多是我的能量轉變了。確實。而且這是我發出的能量

putting out but then also like my energy Within Myself whereas now I am like more like aware of the world around me I'm like almost like seeing the world

也是我內在的能量，現在我更——更意識到週圍的世界，我像是用

through like a different perspective I love that I think it's energy that you put out and then also the energy to receive as well so that like if people

不同的視角看世界。我好喜歡。我覺得是你發出的能量，也是接收的能量。這樣如果人們

come up to you and talk to you you're not going to be closed off yeah yeah and I feel like for me I'm like very much like sometimes I'm in like a state of

來找你說話，你不會封閉。是啊。而且我覺得對我來說，有時我處於一種

like mind or energy where I'm like nobody better talk to me like I'm not here to like I do not wish to be perceived I do not yes exactly seriously

狀態或能量，我就想沒人最好來找我說話——我不在這裡——我不想被注意到。我不。是的，沒錯。認真的

really yeah whereas like you're different like you're much and like perceive me everyone you're more like open all the time it's about your energy so maybe it like kind of like starts

真的，是啊。而你不一樣，你更——而且注意我，每個人。你更開放，一直都是。這關乎你的能量。所以也許是從那裡開始

there yeah I think you can also perceive People's Energy too before they even like open up their mouth like you could before they speak you're like oh do you

開始的。是啊。我覺得你也可以在人們開口之前感受到他們的能量，像是在他們說話之前，你會想喔你

have like a positive like are you smiling are your eyes glistening with for the future in the world do you glimmer yeah do you glimmer do you

有正面的——你在微笑嗎？你的眼睛閃爍著對未來和世界的期待嗎？你閃閃發光嗎？你閃閃發光嗎？你

Shimmer like I I really believe in that that energy and you can feel it in someone even if you're um just like interacting with them briefly yeah but then what about okay energy

閃耀嗎？我真的相信那種能量，你可以在某人身上感受到，即使你只是和他們短暫互動。是啊。但那能量

aside what are your thoughts you guys already know if you've seen the dating episode I've said it once and I'll say it again what what'

之外，你有什麼想法？你們如果看過約會那集就知道，我說過一次還會再說。什麼——

you say I love the bant oh okay I love yeah me too I think so in terms of communicating with like someone romantically or dating like I think it's really attractive obviously when people

你說什麼？我愛鬥嘴。喔好。我愛。是啊，我也是。我覺得在和浪漫對象或約會溝通方面，我覺得當人們

are intelligent and I saw this from a like a Tik Tok video so if you guys know who it's from like definitely at them but they're just like women in general

聰明真的很有吸引力。我從一個 TikTok 影片看到的，如果你們知道是誰，請標記他們。但他們說女性通常——

this was a gross generalization but I agreed with it women or at least myself s like really are attracted to people who are intelligent and one way to demonstrate intelligence is through like

這是粗略的概括，但我同意——女性，或至少我自己，真的被聰明的人吸引。一種展現智慧的方式是通過

jokes and being funny and if you can like engage in like the witty humor the banter the bant then um like I find that super attractive and it draws me in as

笑話和有趣。如果你能進行機智幽默、鬥嘴，那我覺得超有吸引力，吸引我。

well totally like it demonstrates that it actually it it like demonstrates several things cuz it demonstrates that you're smart enough to like pick up on and like make jokes in the moment but

完全。像是它展現了——它其實展現了好幾件事，因為它展現了你夠聰明能當場接住和開玩笑，但

also that you have enough um EQ to like deliver it in a way that's like funny and you're like oh this kind of joke will connect with this person

也展現你有足夠的 EQ 以有趣的方式表達，你知道這種笑話會和這個人有共鳴

yeah and like it's going to land they have the context for this like blah blah blah yeah it's actually quite complicated to be funny I think um in a

是啊，而且它會命中，他們有這個背景什麼什麼的。是啊，有趣其實蠻複雜的。我覺得。嗯，以

in a good way um yeah it's hard to be funny it's hard to be funny because then you have to like know the other person and what they find funny and understand

好的方式。嗯，是啊，很難有趣。很難有趣，因為你必須了解對方和他們覺得什麼有趣，了解

what context they have for the jokes that you're going to make is it is it a cultural reference a historic refence like you know so yeah I think being funny can

他們對你要開的玩笑有什麼背景。是文化參考？歷史參考？你知道的。所以是啊，我覺得有趣可以

someone Fain humor or being funny it's hard no I don't think you can I think usually a joke will like fall flat and people can immediately be like that was

有人假裝幽默或有趣嗎？很難。不，我不認為可以。我覺得通常笑話會失敗，人們馬上就知道那很

awkward yeah I mean also like you like leading with humor like if you are leading with jokes you can really like understand a person pretty quickly like

尷尬。是啊。我是說，而且像是如果你以幽默開場——如果你以笑話開場，你可以很快了解一個人，像是

you could be like oh like what kind of reference is are they picking up or not picking up like what is their response to my like jokes in my banter yeah I

你可以知道喔，他們接住什麼參考或沒接住，他們對我的笑話和鬥嘴有什麼反應。是啊，我

think it also can if you're not like a naturally funny person I think two things that can help one watching like comedy shows and like picking up on

覺得如果你不是天生有趣的人，兩件事可以幫忙。第一，看喜劇節目，學習

other Comedians and figuring out what do you find funny um and then the second thing is also self-deprecating jokes like when you're making jokes you never want to like punch down on

其他喜劇演員，弄清楚你覺得什麼有趣。嗯，然後第二件事是自嘲笑話。當你開玩笑時，你永遠不想往下打

someone you know if someone that's what they say for like stand up comedians you want to like make fun of yourself and you can also punch up as well yeah or

某人，你知道。那是他們對脫口秀喜劇演員說的，你要拿自己開玩笑，你也可以往上打。是啊，或

like you first you can like make fun of yourself and then you can make fun of someone else yeah I also I like being teased I think being teased um is it can

像是你先可以拿自己開玩笑，然後可以拿別人開玩笑。是啊。我也喜歡被取笑。我覺得被取笑嗯可以

be cute what about the role of like gossip or te like where does that fall in how to talk to anyone I think it's an important part like I think people who

很可愛。那八卦或取笑的角色呢？在如何和任何人交談中怎麼定位？我覺得這是重要的部分。我覺得那些

believe they're like self-righteous and like oh I don't gossip I don't you know especially like harmless gossip I don't gossip I don't gossip I think people who like claim to be self-righteous in that

自以為是的人——喔我不八卦，我不——你知道，特別是無害的八卦——我不八卦，我不八卦。我覺得自稱自以為是的人

sense you're just kidding yourself and you're honestly hurting yourself for making connections with people I think hurtful harmful gossip like that's a different thing but if it's like

在那方面你只是在騙自己，老實說你在傷害自己和人建立聯繫。我覺得有害的八卦是另一回事，但如果是

harmless gossip and like just a little bit of jiping can be fine I think like specifically outside of friend groups like on the topic of how to talk to

無害的八卦和一點點取笑是可以的。我覺得像是在朋友圈之外，關於如何和

anyone like a little bit of harmless gossip is a great way to like break through like three layers of like small talk to then like have like kind of this

任何人交談，一點無害的八卦是很好的方式來打破像是三層閒聊，然後有這種

like inside joke between the two of you and inside jokes also are so powerful I was like listening to something the other day on Tik Tok where sub was like

兩人之間的內部笑話。內部笑話也超強大。我前幾天在 TikTok 上聽到有人說

oh like one of the one of the best hacks to like befriend someone it's to like make an inside joke with them right away and I was like oh yeah I freaking love

喔，和人交朋友的最佳技巧之一是馬上和他們建立內部笑話。我說喔是啊我超愛

that like I love when people do that with me and I also enjoy doing that with other people because then you have this like little like charmless little secret

那。像是我喜歡人們對我這樣做，我也喜歡對別人這樣做。因為這樣你就有這個小小無害的秘密

and there's like this little inside joke and it's like so like fun yeah um yeah but it's kind of like I feel like there's like kind of like a spectrum

有這個小小的內部笑話，超好玩。是啊。嗯是啊。但有點像是我覺得在無害八卦和內部笑話之間有個光譜

between like harmless gossip and inside joke it's like can sometimes be like one in the same so it's a spectrum it's like a or something like that but like I

像是有時候是一樣的。所以是個光譜。像是——或類似那樣。但像是我

don't know one example is like I was at the gym and then I was um talking to one of the managers and I was like oh like I

不知道，一個例子是我在健身房，然後我在和一個經理說話，我說喔像是我

heard this happen with like the CFO which is like someone that I have no idea like I've never met this man like you know this guy like probably barely

聽說 CFO 發生了這件事，那是一個我完全不認識的人，像是我從沒見過這個人。你知道這個人嗎？像是可能幾乎

knows him and it was just he just all of a sudden he like you know broke the fourth wall or like just like broke character he's like oh my God like yes

不認識他。他就突然你知道打破第四面牆或像是出戲了，他說天啊是啊

like this is what happened this is blah blah BL and it's like totally harmless yeah but it was it was great to like just like connect about something and

這就是發生的事，這是什麼什麼的。完全無害。是啊。但這很好能連結一些事情，

then now like every time we see each other we're like te yeah yeah it's kind of it it builds relationships yeah yeah it's the yeah the power of normal gossip

然後現在每次我們見面我們都會取笑。是啊是啊。這有點——它建立關係。是啊是啊。這是——是啊——普通八卦的力量

next we're going to talk about ways to invite people to talk to you without having to talk to them or without having to initiate um one of the great things that

接下來我們要談如何邀請人們來找你說話，不用和他們說話或不用主動開口。嗯，一件很棒的事

Gan and I share is our love for fashion and in this specific instance fashion and statement pieces as a conversation starter so if have you ever seen a person who's just wearing

Gan 和我共同喜歡的是對時尚的愛。在這個特定例子中，時尚和有主張的單品作為對話開場。所以如果你見過一個人穿著

something so freaking cool it's a cool blouse a cool pair of jeans or shoes and you're like oh my God that's amazing sometimes when I see these people

超級酷的東西——是一件酷的上衣、一條酷的牛仔褲或鞋子——你會想天啊太棒了。有時候我在街上看到這些人

walking down the street I will stop them and I'll be like you look fantastic and like where did you get that from and so I think if you can incorporate that into

我會攔住他們說你看起來太棒了，那是從哪裡買的？所以我覺得如果你能把這個融入

your life and like there are things that you really enjoy that are like specialty or statement pieces it really does invite people in to ask you about it

你的生活，像是有你真正喜歡的特別或有主張的單品，它真的會邀請人們來問你

yeah I love a state with In Peace So like especially if you enjoy fashion like I think that's something to lean into because that's like a way that you

是啊，我愛有主張的單品。所以特別是如果你喜歡時尚，我覺得那是值得投入的，因為那是你

can express yourself and other people can perceive you and like sort of like understand who you are without you even opening your mouth right like without you even saying anything you're sort of

表達自己的方式，其他人可以看到你並了解你是誰，不用你開口。對吧？像是不用你說任何話，你就是

like having a conversation with them through the way that you choose to like dress especially if you have something that is more of a statement or like more like

通過你選擇穿什麼和他們對話，特別是如果你有更有主張或更

noticeable or more like cute so that's like that's kind of like informed sort of the way I shop because I just like also like I love like statement pieces

引人注目或更可愛的東西。所以那有點像是——那有點影響了我的購物方式，因為我也像是——我喜歡有主張的單品

like I love like a Whimsical like bag or like a really like unexpected detail or something like that well that's also why you do a lot of shopping like abroad as

像是我喜歡異想天開的包包或像是真的出人意料的細節或類似的東西。好，那也是為什麼你在國外購物很多

well because then like want to commemorates your trip as like a but like there's a story behind like what you're wearing and people ask you about

因為那會紀念你的旅行，像是——但像是你穿的東西背後有故事，人們會問你

it oh my God my biggest flex and I am so annoying about this like and I know it is that when I buy things in thrift stores or consignment shops

天啊我最大的炫耀，我知道我對此很煩人，就是當我在國外的二手店或寄賣店買東西時

abroad I am incredibly insufferable and for a good reason cuz it's so cool that I got this like scarf from it was like a it's like a van go print on a scarf from

我超級無法忍受。而且有很好的理由，因為我從澳洲雪梨的二手店買了這條圍巾——是梵穀印花的圍巾——

a thrift store in Australia in Sydney and I've gotten so many compliments on it cuz I wear this scarf as top and like I tie it around on different things and

我得到很多讚美，因為我把這條圍巾當上衣穿，我把它綁在不同的東西上，

people are like oh my God I love your top like where's it from and I'm like yeah it's from and it's also like one of a kind cuz it's from a thrift store I

人們說天啊我好喜歡你的上衣，從哪裡買的？我說是啊，而且是獨一無二的，因為是從二手店買的。我

mean I'm sure you could find it online but who's going to find it it's like maybe well like who knows who makes it even yeah and then also like your

是說我相信你可以在網上找到，但誰會找？像是——也許——好，誰知道誰做的？是啊。然後還有你的

vintage leather Long Jacket from Paris Paris thrift store in Paris at $1 also like for me like I also like to buy like special purchases um abroad because then it's

巴黎古著皮長夾克。巴黎二手店。1 美元。而且像是對我來說，我也喜歡在國外買特別的東西，因為那

like a way to com commemorate the trip and then also it's something that people can ask you about and then you can tell them the story behind it and then

是紀念旅行的方式，然後也是人們可以問你的東西，然後你可以告訴他們背後的故事，然後

perhaps they'll purchase it or just like have a conversation or even if they don't ask you it's not like they'll like be like where did you get that they'll

也許他們會買，或只是對話。即使他們不問你，不是說他們會說那是從哪裡買的，他們會

just be like oh like I like your bag you be like oh my God thanks so much like I got this like on a trip um last year in

只是說喔我喜歡你的包。你會說喔天啊謝謝，我去年旅行時在

Lisbon or something like that or like I got this in Barcelona and and then like that's like you like responding to them with like a piece of information and

里斯本買的。或像是我在巴塞隆納買的。然後像是那是你回應他們並帶著一條資訊，

then that's how you kind of like get into conversation and then they're like oh my God Barcelona or like I was just there last year like blah blah blah yes it's

然後這樣你就開始對話了，然後他們會說天啊巴塞隆納，或像是我去年剛去那裡什麼什麼的。是的，這是

such a good conversation starter yeah um especially if there's a story behind it that you care about um they can sense that excitement that you bring into the

很好的對話開場。是啊。嗯，特別是如果背後有你在乎的故事。嗯，他們可以感受到你帶進對話的興奮。

conversation I think also part of it is that like I genuinely love fashion and have like a true passion for it so like passion fascist yeah so like it whenever

我覺得部分原因是我真的愛時尚，有真正的熱情。所以像是熱情迷。是啊，所以像是每當

people do ask me about it like I'm really excited to talk about the topic so like maybe that's something that like either if it's not like natural to you

人們問我這個，我真的很興奮談這個話題。所以像是也許那是——如果對你來說不自然

you can like try it out like little by little or maybe there's like other ways to convey like things that you're passionate about in like what you wear

你可以一點一點嘗試，或者也許有其他方式在你穿什麼上傳達你熱愛的東西

or like how you present yourself like if you love golf like you could be I don't know wear like whenever you go golfing like by some of the mbilia and wear it

或你怎麼展現自己。像是如果你愛高爾夫球，你可以——我不知道——每次去打高爾夫球時買一些紀念品穿

and then they will ask you about it yes like where if you go to Bandon Dunes like get a little sweater that's like Bandon Dunes like totally or like one of

然後他們會問你。是的，像是如果你去 Bandon Dunes，買一件有 Bandon Dunes 的小毛衣。完全。或像是

my um friend my classmates who goes to golf courses like around the world he always gets a little hat yeah that sent the golf course name oh I love buying

我的一個朋友，我的同學，去世界各地的高爾夫球場打球，他總是買一頂小帽子。是啊，有高爾夫球場名字的。喔我愛買

hats caps kind of for this reason yeah cuz then you wear and then you can wear it you can wear it the next time you play golf in like a normal place and

帽子，有點因為這個原因。是啊，因為你可以穿——你可以戴著它，下次在普通地方打高爾夫球時戴著，

then it'll strike up conversation with people especially if you're already on the golf course where other people have similar interest to you and you're like

然後會和人開始對話，特別是如果你已經在高爾夫球場，那裡其他人和你有相似興趣，你會

oh my God you went there I went there or I've always wanted to go there what like recommendations do you have yes or even like a lot of times people if they go to

說天啊你去過那裡，我也去過那裡，或我一直想去那裡，你有什麼推薦？是的，或甚至像是很多時候人們如果去

like a hotel or something they'll like buy a hat from the hotel really yeah is that kind of cheesy well it depends on like the hotel like people

像是一家酒店或什麼的，他們會從酒店買一頂帽子。真的嗎？是啊。那是不是有點俗？好，取決於酒店，像是人們

will do it for like Amani or like Amiri or people do that for like resta like the restaurant and not restaurants but like Di bars you know that's a good yes

會為 Aman 或 Amiri 這樣做，或人們會為餐廳做這個——不是餐廳——像是酒吧。你知道的，那是個好的。是的

like something that you like associate yourself with or like an experience that you had and then like other people I don't know it's like social signaling

像是你和自己關聯的東西或你有過的經歷，然後其他人——我不知道這是社交信號

right it's like it's like when I went to the AE at shamies and Palisades Tahoe you better believe I got a sham hat and I wear it around if you know you know

對吧？這是——像是當我去 Palisades Tahoe 的 Après 的 Chamies，你最好相信我買了一頂 Sham 帽子，我到處戴。懂的人就懂

sham sham the other part of the memorabilia that you pick up at different places is is that it also kind of is a way of signal signaling to

Sham。Sham。你在不同地方撿到的紀念品的另一部分是，它也是一種向

people what sort of groups you belong to or like what sort of um common interest you may have so like why do people buy so much gear from their undergrad or

人們表達你屬於什麼群體或你可能有什麼共同興趣的方式。所以像是為什麼人們從他們的大學或

from their grad schools like why does Sher have like 50 pieces of Stanford clothing it's because one she's obsessed with Stanford I love Stanford and also she has tons of stuff from barard in

研究所買這麼多裝備？像是為什麼 Sheree 有像 50 件史丹佛的衣服？因為一她癡迷史丹佛。我愛史丹佛。而且她也有很多巴納德和

Columbia too yeah so she just like obviously she just like loves it she's passionate about it but like also it's like subconsciously a way of being like hey like this is part of my

哥倫比亞的東西。是啊。所以她顯然就是喜歡，她有熱情，但也是潛意識裡的一種方式，像是嘿這是我的一部分

identity and then you can see it right away when you see me and that's also a conversation starter too especially if you're in Alum or you you know you live

身份認同，然後你看到我就能馬上看到。而且這也是對話開場，特別是如果你是校友或你住

in Palo Alto or you're in from the surrounding area like I'm when I'm wearing like a Stanford sweatshirt like people can see it and if they bring it

在 Palo Alto 或你來自週邊地區。像是我穿史丹佛運動衫時，人們可以看到，如果他們提起

up I'm like obviously I'm going to talk to you about it yeah you're like you want s word me too me too what year oh

我說顯然我會和你談這個。是啊。你說你也是史丹佛的？我也是。哪一屆？喔

my I was s well I I a lot now or if you go to a concert that's why people love buying concert from arilia yeah because it shows you the music that

我是史——好，我——我很多現在——或如果你去演唱會，這就是為什麼人們愛買演唱會紀念品。是啊。因為這顯示你

you're into and then you actually went to the concert yeah so yeah there's lots of ways even if you're not like obsessed with fashion like us to kind of like

喜歡的音樂，然後你真的去了演唱會。是啊。所以是啊，有很多方式，即使你不像我們一樣癡迷時尚，也能

Express who you are without words and then have people come to you how to talk to anyone yeah start a conversation with no words how to start a conversation without saying a single

不用言語表達你是誰，然後讓人們來找你。如何和任何人交談。是啊。開始對話不用說一個字。如何不說一個

word it's the energy thank you guys so much for tuning in to this episode of tiger sisters hope this was helpful there's some topics that you know could be discussed further their

字就開始對話。這是能量。非常感謝你們收聽這集 Tiger Sisters。希望這對你有幫助。有一些話題你知道可以進一步討論，

open discussion yes and so please remember to like comment and subscribe and we would so appreciate it if you could share this video with someone who might find it helpful we'll see you next

是開放討論。是的。所以請記得按讚留言和訂閱。如果你能把這個影片分享給可能覺得有幫助的人我們會非常感激。我們下次見。

time thanks bye

謝謝。拜拜。