Have you ever had to make a really big change in your life, like starting a new job or ending a relationship? Change and starting over is so freaking scary. In

你有沒有經歷過需要做出重大人生改變的時刻，比如開始一份新工作或結束一段關係？改變和重新開始真的超級可怕。

this episode, we're going to be talking about how to start over and how to manage the emotional highs and lows.

在這一集中，我們將討論如何重新開始以及如何管理情緒上的高低起伏。

Today, we're going to go through three powerful frameworks to absolutely transform your lives and more importantly, your mindset. The first is William Bridges Transitions. The second is Carol Dwek's Growth Mindset and the

今天，我們將介紹三個強大的框架來徹底改變你的生活，更重要的是你的心態。第一個是威廉布里奇斯的轉變框架。第二個是卡羅爾德韋克的成長心態，

third is Designing Your Life by Bill Bernett and Dave Evans. At age 35, I totally restarted my career for the second time and I broke off my engagement after an 8-year long

第三個是比爾伯內特和戴夫埃文斯的《設計你的生活》。在35歲時，我完全重新開始了我的職業生涯，這是第二次，我在8年的

relationship. If you want the road map for a total life reset, you're in the right place. I'm Sheree. I'm Jean. And we're the Tiger Sisters.

戀愛關係後取消了訂婚。如果你想要一個完全人生重置的路線圖，你來對地方了。我是 Sheree。我是 Jean。我們是 Tiger Sisters。

If you're feeling stuck at age 29, 36, or whatever age, this episode is for you. And stick around because 15 minutes in the episode, we're going to drop a 5-minute exercise inspired by Harvard

如果你在 29 歲、36 歲或任何年齡感到卡住，這一集是為你準備的。繼續看，因為在節目進行 15 分鐘時，我們會分享一個受哈佛啟發的 5 分鐘練習

psychologists that could totally fasttrack your reinvention. And we'll be right back right after this break. Hey guys, quick break to let you know that we now have merch on sistersmatcha.com. We have sweatshirts

心理學家的練習，可能會完全加速你的轉變。廣告後我們馬上回來。嘿，大家好，快速插播讓你們知道我們現在在 sistersmatcha.com 上有週邊商品。我們有運動衫

and t-shirts that we designed ourselves. Go check it out and please rate us five stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

和我們自己設計的 T 恤。去看看，請在 Spotify 和 Apple Podcasts 上給我們五星好評。

These ratings are so important for the distribution and survival of Tiger Sisters podcast. Thank you for your support. And we're back. So, one of the reasons why we want to talk about this

這些評分對 Tiger Sisters 播客的傳播和生存非常重要。感謝你們的支持。我們回來了。所以，我們想談這個話題的原因之一是

topic is because transitions happen all the time, especially when you're in your early 20s and 30s. I would say when you're coming out of school, so much of my identity, both professional and

因為轉變一直在發生，尤其是當你處於 20 多歲和 30 多歲的時候。我會說當你剛從學校出來時，我身份的很大一部分，無論是職業的還是

personal, was built around my career, for better or for worse. And when something big happens, like a transition, I didn't really have the tools to handle it. So, I'm so glad

個人的，都是圍繞我的職業建立的，不管是好是壞。當發生像轉變這樣的大事時，我真的沒有處理它的工具。所以，我很高興

we're talking about this in this episode. The first framework that we're going to be talking about is William Bridg's transition framework. So, William Bridges in his book transitions says that change is actually external.

我們在這一集討論這個。我們要談的第一個框架是威廉布里奇斯的轉變框架。在他的書《轉變》中，威廉布里奇斯說改變實際上是外在的。

So that's something like changing jobs while transition is actually an internal process. So William Bridges actually outlines three stages. There's ending, neutral zone, and new beginnings. I really love this framework and

那就像是換工作，而轉變實際上是一個內在的過程。威廉布里奇斯實際上概述了三個階段。有結束、中立區和新的開始。我真的很喜歡這個框架，

especially how it names and like titles each of the stages. So often people, including me, will rush to the new beginning and not even process what just happened. Whether it's a career change,

尤其是它如何命名每個階段。很多時候人們，包括我，會急於進入新的開始而不去處理剛發生的事情。無論是職業變化，

whether it's a change in relationship or a friendship. I think for me since I'm such like a go go go type a person, I'm like, "Okay, how do I execute and just

還是關係或友誼的變化。我認為對我來說，因為我是那種一直衝衝衝的 A 型人，我會想：「好，我要怎麼執行，就

do the next thing?" Because honestly, that's what keeps me from processing like a lot of the like hurtful or bad or sad emotions, but so much of it is

做下一件事？」因為說實話，這讓我不用處理很多傷害或壞的或悲傷的情緒，但很多其實是

staying in the neutral zone, reflecting before starting in the new beginning.

停留在中立區，在開始新的開始之前反思。

One thing we wanted to do throughout this episode in every section as we talk about each framework is actually give kind of personal anecdotes as like a version of like case studies kind of

我們想在這一集的每個部分做的一件事，當我們談論每個框架時，是實際上給出個人軼事，作為某種案例研究的版本，

like how we did in our earlier episodes where for the case studies we talked about different companies or brands.

就像我們在早期的節目中做的那樣，在案例研究中我們談論了不同的公司或品牌。

This time we're going to talk like use ourselves as a case studies. So for me for example I've shared before that at age 35 I ended my engagement after an

這次我們要用自己作為案例研究。以我為例，我之前分享過在 35 歲時我在

eight-yearong relationship. Um, so that obviously was the ending part of this framework. And as I moved into the neutral zone, I felt like really lost in

八年的戀愛關係後結束了訂婚。呃，所以這顯然是這個框架的結束部分。當我進入中立區時，我在

a lot of ways because it wasn't just the ending of a relationship. It was like the ending of the entire sort of conception of my life and like all of

很多方面都感到真的很迷失，因為這不僅僅是一段關係的結束。它就像是我整個人生概念的結束，以及我所有

the next steps of my life where obviously I was going to get married, we were going to have kids, we were going to, you know, live happily ever after

人生下一步的結束，顯然我要結婚，我們要有孩子，我們要，你知道，從此幸福快樂地生活在

together. But only by actually being in and like slowly working through the meer of the neutral zone was I finally able to emerge out to the the new beginning

一起。但只有真正處於並慢慢走過中立區的泥沼中，我才終於能夠走出來進入新的開始

which is like now like this is my new beginning. This is so so different than anything I've ever done before. But I don't think I ever would have been able

這就是現在，這是我的新開始。這和我以前做過的任何事情都非常不同。但我不認為我能夠

to arrive here had I not gone through the process of like being sort of like feeling stuck in the neutral zone and like trying all these new different

到達這裡，如果我沒有經歷在中立區感到卡住的過程，並嘗試所有這些新的不同的

things which we'll talk about in the later frameworks and just like really being in it for sort of like quite a what felt like quite a while. It felt

事情，我們會在後面的框架中談到，真正投入其中，感覺持續了很長一段時間。對

like a long time to me because I'm also a really I think inherently impatient person. But I think that's why the neutral zone is so difficult. Mhm.

我來說感覺很長時間，因為我也是一個天生非常沒耐心的人。但我認為這就是為什麼中立區如此困難。嗯。

Because sometimes it can feel like when you're in the neutral zone, not a lot is happening dayto day. Yeah. Because like, you know, in my neutral zone, I'm like

因為有時候當你在中立區時，感覺每天都沒有發生很多事情。是的。因為，你知道，在我的中立區，我在

journaling. I'm going to the gym. Things feel slow, but when that compounds over time, when you're like super reflective, I'm like, "Oh, something worked.

寫日記。我去健身房。事情感覺很慢，但當這些隨時間累積，當你非常反思時，我就像：「哦，有效果了。

Something happened." Yeah. You know? Yeah. And okay, not not to forget that I also right before ending my engagement had just left my job at Snapchat as head

發生了一些事情。」是的。你知道嗎？是的。而且好的，別忘了我也在結束訂婚之前剛剛離開了我在 Snapchat 的

of product. And that was after working at Snap for over seven for seven years and having worked in corporate for pretty much my entire professional life.

產品主管工作。那是在 Snap 工作了七年多之後，並且我整個職業生涯幾乎都在企業工作。

So it was like a big it was like multiple like huge transitions and changes at the same time. That's really scary. Yeah, it was scary, guys. It was scary. And then I

所以這是一個大的，就像同時發生多個巨大的轉變和變化。這真的很可怕。是的，很可怕的，各位。很可怕。然後我

moved in. Yeah. Yeah. And we became roommates and we started this new venture together. Yeah. Yeah. New beginnings. And we also want to give you another example of someone you might

搬進去了。是的。是的。我們成了室友，一起開始了這個新事業。是的。是的。新的開始。我們還想給你另一個你可能

have heard of, Steve Jobs. The Steve Jobs story is pretty infamous. He was ousted by the board at Apple. He basically lost control of his company.

聽說過的人的例子，史蒂夫喬布斯。史蒂夫喬布斯的故事非常有名。他被蘋果董事會趕出去。他基本上失去了對公司的控制。

He was kicked out and that was technically his ending. As the lore goes, he then spent years in the creative wilderness where it was the neutral zone. He was reflecting and

他被踢出去了，那在技術上是他的結束。傳說是，他然後在創意荒野中度過了數年，那是中立區。他在反思和

figuring out his next moves. And then he triumphantly returned to Apple, which was his new beginning. It just underscores how the neutral zone can be a place for fresh ideas and for setting

找出下一步行動。然後他凱鏇般回到蘋果，那是他的新開始。這只是強調中立區可以是一個產生新想法和為

you up for your next starting over point. We also wanted to in this episode give many exercises so that you could actually practice the framework IRL. So,

你下一個重新開始做準備的地方。我們還想在這一集中給出小練習，這樣你就可以在現實生活中實際練習這個框架。所以，

the one for transitions is to jot down one area of your life that you feel like there is an impending ending or is like actually ending or has just ended. And

關於轉變的練習是寫下你生活中你感覺有即將結束或正在結束或剛剛結束的一個領域。然後

then write down how you feel about it.

寫下你對它的感受。

And then next, write down one possibility that could bloom if you actually fully embrace the neutral zone.

然後接下來，寫下如果你真正全然擁抱中立區可能會綻放的一種可能性。

And we'd love to learn about what you guys write if you're open to sharing with us in the comments. After you finish this exercise, we'd love to hear

如果你願意在評論中與我們分享，我們很想了解你們寫了什麼。在你完成這個練習後，我們很想在

from you in the comments about your new possibilities. And just a reminder, this transition framework can apply to so many things. It can apply to career, romance, friendship, basically anything.

評論中聽到你關於你的新可能性。提醒一下，這個轉變框架可以應用於很多事情。它可以應用於職業、愛情、友誼，基本上任何事情。

So, it's a time for reflection. And up next, we'll talk about Carol Dwek's growth mindset framework. So, I'm really excited to talk about this topic. I read

所以，這是一個反思的時間。接下來，我們將談論卡羅爾德韋克的成長心態框架。所以，我真的很興奮談論這個話題。我

this book a long time ago, and Carol Dwek is actually a professor at Stanford, so I hold this very close to my heart. In Carol Dwek's book, she talks about two different types of

很久以前讀過這本書，卡羅爾德韋克實際上是斯坦福大學的教授，所以我對此非常珍視。在卡羅爾德韋克的書中，她談到了兩種不同類型的

mindset. a fixed mindset or a growth mindset. And a fixed mindset is basically believing within yourself either I'm good at something or I'm not.

心態。固定型心態或成長型心態。固定型心態基本上是在內心相信我要麼擅長某事，要麼不擅長。

A growth mindset is that I can learn something and with enough effort and perseverance I can figure it out. And I think what's really important to distinguish is that some people

成長型心態是我可以學習一些東西，通過足夠的努力和毅力我可以弄清楚。我認為真正重要的是區分，有些人

ironically are like, oh, like I'm not a growth mindset person or I am a growth mindset person. That actually goes against the entire concept of growth mindset because you're not one person or

諷刺的是會說：哦，我不是一個成長型心態的人，或者我是一個成長型心態的人。這實際上違背了成長型心態的整個概念，因為你不是這種人或

another. It's just a mindset. So anybody, even if you previously had a fixed mindset, you can adopt a growth mindset going forward. A growth mindset to adopt a growth mindset. Yes. Exactly.

另一種人。這只是一種心態。所以任何人，即使你以前有固定型心態，都可以從現在開始採用成長型心態。用成長型心態來採用成長型心態。是的。正是如此。

But that's just something that I want to emphasize because like sometimes people are so like, you know, like sort of like been in their ways for so long. They've

但這是我想強調的，因為有時候人們就像，你知道，已經很久都是那樣了。他們

been in that fixed mindset for such a long time that they almost couldn't imagine themselves being a growth mindset person. But it's just a mindset shift. It's not inherent to your being.

長期處於固定型心態，他們幾乎無法想像自己成為一個成長型心態的人。但這只是一種心態轉變。這不是你天生的。

You know what I mean? People with growth mindset are able to push through obstacles, whereas people with a more fixed mindset, when they're faced with obstacles, they're like, "Oh god, this

你知道我的意思嗎？有成長型心態的人能夠克服障礙，而有更固定型心態的人，當他們面對障礙時，他們會說：「天啊，這

is just another reason why, you know, XYZ can't happen." Like it feels like they're very stuck. And instead of seeing an obstacle as something that you can like go around or figure out, it's

只是又一個為什麼，你知道，某某事不能發生的原因。」他們感覺非常卡住。而不是把障礙看作你可以繞過或弄清楚的東西，它

just an obstacle in their way. And so I felt a huge need to develop a growth mindset. although I didn't have this terminology for it in college and I

只是擋在他們路上的障礙。所以我感到非常需要發展成長型心態。雖然我在大學時沒有這個術語，我

especially felt this when I was studying computer science and because I was able to you know major in computer science really tough it out and seek all the resources

在學計算機科學時特別感受到這一點，因為我能夠，你知道，主修計算機科學，真的很努力，尋求所有的資源

and study and work my ass off for it I'm just like I was able to do that I feel like I'm able to do anything now and

學習並為此拼命努力，我就像我能夠做到那個，我感覺我現在能做任何事情，

it's like given me a growth mindset that like I can do hard things and it actually kind of even more than that I'm like I did that was like the hardest

它給了我一種成長型心態，我可以做困難的事情，實際上甚至更重要的是我會想我做到了那是我

thing of my life doing like you know all nighters and studying it like it was a grueling major for me and I'm so happy I did it and I enjoyed it along the way

人生中最難的事情，做像，你知道，通宵學習，那是一個對我來說很艱苦的專業，我很高興我做了，我也在過程中享受

but I'm like if I can do that I can basically do anything and that is just like where my growth mindset is like rooted so deeply in my body that I'm

但我就像如果我能做到那個，我基本上能做任何事情，這就是我的成長型心態深深紮根在我身體裡的地方，我

like any challenge I can figure it out.

就像任何挑戰我都能弄清楚。

Yeah. You know I so relate to that. I think that having a growth mindset is actually one of my like self-identified most defining factors actually because I

是的。你知道我非常認同那個。我認為擁有成長型心態實際上是我自我認定的最具定義性的因素之一，因為我

feel like if I hadn't had a growth mindset, I never would have taken the path that I did because even honestly my first job out of school working at

覺得如果我沒有成長型心態，我永遠不會走我走過的路，因為即使說實話我剛畢業後的第一份工作是在

Goldman, I took that job like not even really knowing how to use Excel. I swear to God I I swear I did not know how to

高盛工作，我接受那份工作時甚至真的不知道怎麼用 Excel。我發誓我我發誓我不知道怎麼

use Excel except for like we use it a few times in these statistics class like statistics and econometrics classes that I had to take. But that's different like

用 Excel，除了我們在這些統計課上用過幾次，就像我必須上的統計學和計量經濟學課程。但那不一樣

than it's different than creating like a DCF model or something. It's actually it's different from actually using Excel in like a workplace setting where you

它跟創建像 DCF 模型之類的東西不一樣。它實際上跟在像工作環境中實際使用 Excel 是不一樣的，你

have to do it as fast as you can and as accurately as you can. So like I sort of like threw myself into the deep end and

必須盡可能快速和準確地做。所以我有點把自己扔進了深水區，

like threw myself to the wolves in a way and I was able to eventually like learn like to be clear I was never became like an Excel wiz. I was never even in the

有點像把自己扔給狼群，我最終能夠學會，說清楚我從來不是 Excel 高手。我甚至從來不是

top 50% of people who are like good at using Excel at work, especially as an analyst, but I was able to still be a very good top performing analyst. And

工作中 Excel 用得好的前 50% 的人，尤其是作為分析師，但我仍然能夠成為一個非常優秀的頂尖分析師。而且

because I was able to like do that, that's how I even had the courage to be like, hey, yeah, like I'll be a product manager. Like there are a lot like lot

因為我能夠做到那個，那就是我甚至有勇氣說：嘿，是的，我會做產品經理。就像有很多

of things I don't know about product management. I don't know anything about product management actually, but I feel like I have the inherent skill to be able to learn things quickly and work

關於產品管理我不知道的事情。實際上我對產品管理一無所知，但我感覺我有能快速學習和努力

hard and try my best and like all these these other things so that like I will learn how to be an excellent product manager just like I learned how to be an

工作並盡我所能等等這些其他事情的天生技能，這樣我會學會如何成為一個出色的產品經理，就像我學會如何成為一個

excellent, you know, financial analyst at Goldman Sachs. And then like same thing for like everything in our lives, even what we're doing now. Like I've never been in front of the camera

出色的，你知道，高盛的金融分析師。然後同樣的事情對於我們生活中的一切，甚至我們現在正在做的。我以前從來沒有在鏡頭前

before. I've never like talked about my personal life and my experiences or like shared my learnings with people before, but I'm like, "Yeah, I can do it." Like,

出現過。我以前從來沒有談論過我的個人生活和經歷或與人分享我的學習，但我就像：「是的，我可以做到。」就像，

I don't know. I don't know. I hope I'm hope I'm doing a good job with, you know, up to you guys. Leave nice comments for Jean. We We read every

我不知道。我不知道。我希望我做得好，你知道，取決於你們。給 Jean 留下好評。我們會讀每

single one of them. If you like Jean being on camera, she's vulnerable. She's taking, you know, a lot of courage to be here. We love that. We love I'm still

一條評論。如果你喜歡 Jean 出鏡，她很脆弱。她在鼓起，你知道，很大的勇氣來到這裡。我們喜歡。我們喜歡我仍然

new to this, guys, but but I was just like, "Sure, I'll do it." Like, I'll just throw myself into it and I think it'll be fun and I'll be developing a

對此很新手，各位，但我就是像：「好，我會做。」就像，我會投入進去，我認為會很有趣，我會發展一個

new a new skill and like a new side of me and it's been really fun and I'm it's very rewarding. So, I think all of that like my entire career can be sort of

新技能和我的新一面，這真的很有趣，非常有收穫。所以，我認為我整個職業生涯都可以歸功於

chocked up to the fact that I had a growth mindset that any of this stuff even happened. Yeah. And also what we're working on now with Sisters Matcha, our

我有成長型心態這個事實，這一切才發生。是的。還有我們現在正在做的 Sisters Matcha，我們的

matcha brand that we started like last July, August, like we have only worked in like digital products for our professional careers, right? So like we are product managers at tech companies,

抹茶品牌，我們是去年七月八月左右開始的，我們整個職業生涯只在數位產品領域工作過，對吧？所以我們是科技公司的產品經理，

but now we have a CPG company, a consumer packaged good. It's like a physical thing that we're selling and it's also a consumable, which is so different from so wild guys. It's wild

但現在我們有一家 CPG 公司，一個消費品公司。這是一個我們正在銷售的實物，而且它還是消耗品，這跟數位產品非常不一樣各位。這太瘋狂了

to me and also so fun. It's so fun.

對我來說，也很有趣。太有趣了。

Yeah. If you if what we're saying kind of resonates with you and you're like you like challenges and you like learning, then like a growth mindset is

是的。如果我們說的讓你產生共鳴，你喜歡挑戰、喜歡學習，那麼成長型心態是

a great thing to adopt so that you continuously learn more and also learn faster. Like in this last year, we're doing completely new things and I'm

一個很好的東西去採用，這樣你可以持續學習更多，而且學得更快。就像在過去一年，我們在做全新的事情，我

having the time of my life. It is so fun and it's so scary, too. Like on the other side of it, it's just like, holy crap, I'm doing things I've never done

正在度過我人生中最美好的時光。這太有趣了，也很可怕。在另一面，它就像，天啊，我在做我從未做過的

before. I don't know if I'm doing it right. I don't know if I'm doing like a good job of it. We don't know anyone in the industry to like help us. Like we're

事情。我不知道我是否做對了。我不知道我是否做得好。我們不認識這個行業的任何人可以幫我們。我們

kind of just like figuring it out. Like you know how people are saying you're like building the airplane and flying it as you go. It's kind of what we're

有點就是在摸索。你知道人們怎麼說你就像邊造飛機邊飛。這就是我們在

doing. But also like I like it. In addition to like not knowing, I'm also trying my hardest and because I believe in it and love it so much that like I

做的。但我也喜歡它。除了不知道之外，我也在盡我最大的努力，因為我相信它並且非常熱愛它，所以我

can try my hardest and give 120% with no regrets. You know what I mean? Cuz we're working for ourselves. I wouldn't give 120% if I were working for the man. But

可以盡 120% 的努力而無悔。你知道我的意思嗎？因為我們在為自己工作。如果我為別人工作我不會付出 120%。但

you know what I mean? Like I just wouldn't care as much. So I guess with the growth mindset, it's just like fulfilling so much of what I care about.

你知道我的意思嗎？我就是不會那麼在乎。所以我想說的是成長型心態，它滿足了我很多在乎的事情。

And I'm so excited to have a growth mindset too. Um yeah and I guess the last thing I'll say on a more personal note when I am looking for a partner and

我也很高興擁有成長型心態。嗯是的，我想在更私人的層面上說最後一件事，當我尋找伴侶和

like in dating someone romantically. Oh. Oh I we do say our podcast is about money, power and love. Yes. And so this is the love component. I will only be

浪漫約會時。哦。哦我們確實說我們的播客是關於金錢、權力和愛情的。是的。所以這是愛情的部分。我只會

with a person if they have a growth mindset like they because a growth mindset is important for work. That's kind of what we're talking about. But it's also so important for relationships

和一個有成長型心態的人在一起，就像他們因為成長型心態對工作很重要。那是我們在談論的。但它對關係也很重要

instead of someone being like this is who like if we fight or get into an argument like this is who I am blah blah blah like don't try to change me like

而不是有人說這就是我的樣子，如果我們吵架或爭論，這就是我，等等等等，別想改變我，

I'm not trying to change anyone but we should be able to grow together if we're like going to be a pair. We need to be able to move in the same direction and

我不是想改變任何人，但如果我們要成為一對，我們應該能夠一起成長。我們需要能夠朝同一個方向前進，

that can mean both of us being flexible and growing and learning together. I totally agree because aside from the aspect of where you're I don't know like if you're in an argument or something

這意味著我們雙方都要靈活、成長和一起學習。我完全同意因為除了你在，我不知道，比如如果你在和

with someone who has a fixed versus growth mindset, I think it's just like your everyday interactions with someone.

有固定型心態與成長型心態的人爭論時，我認為這只是你和某人日常互動的問題。

I feel like it's almost kind of like a person who's a default no versus a person who's like default yes. Yeah.

我感覺這幾乎就像一個默認說不的人與一個默認說好的人。是的。

Right. Like or even just like a default maybe. Like you know what I mean? Just like not a hard no. Yeah. Which is just more fun to live that way. Yeah. Like I

對。或者甚至只是默認說也許。你知道我的意思嗎？就是不是硬性的不。是的。那樣生活更有趣。是的。我

recently Should I tell a personal story? Oh my god, I'm scared. I'm like terrified. I don't know what's going to come out of your mouth. Okay, if it's

最近是不是應該講一個私人故事？天啊，我很害怕。我很害怕。我不知道會從你嘴裡說出什麼。好的，如果

not good, we can cut it. But no, this is just random. I recently was supposed to go to this Broadway rave with my girlfriend who loves Broadway, like obsessed with Broadway. And we like

不好，我們可以剪掉。但不，這只是隨機的。我最近本來要去這個百老匯狂歡派對，和我喜歡百老匯、對百老匯痴迷的女朋友一起。我們

found this Broadway rave. So we were like, "Lol, like this is hilarious." And then my other friend was supposed to come. She couldn't come at the last

找到了這個百老匯狂歡派對。所以我們就像：「哈哈，這太搞笑了。」然後我另一個朋友本來要來。她最後一刻來不了

minute. So I was going to go from a date to this Broadway rave, but since we had this extra ticket, I just asked my date.

了。所以我本來要從一個約會去這個百老匯狂歡派對，但因為我們有這張多餘的票，我就問我的約會對象。

I was like, "Hey, like do you want to come to this Broadway rave with me?" And like this is not a person who I think has like ever like not a Broadway

我說：「嘿，你想和我一起去這個百老匯狂歡派對嗎？」這個人我認為從來不是百老匯的

person, not a theater person at all. And he was just like, "Yeah, sure. Yeah, that'll be fun." And then he went and he had like the time of his life. And is

人，完全不是戲劇人。他就說：「好，當然。是的，會很有趣。」然後他去了，玩得非常開心。這

that growth mindset or does he just like you or does he just want to spend more time with you? I thought it was growth mindset.

是成長型心態還是他只是喜歡你或者他只是想和你多待一會？我以為是成長型心態。

Well, I'm glad you Maybe it's a combination. It's a combination of both.

嗯，我很高興你也許是結合的。是結合的兩者。

And wow, my long island accent is coming out for some reason because I'm embarrassed. It's a combination. Um, and I'm glad you told that story cuz that

而且哇，我的長島口音因為某種原因出來了因為我很尷尬。是結合的。嗯，我很高興你講了那個故事因為那

was a safe story. I didn't know. I really didn't know. What kind of stories did you think I was going to tell? We won't go there. Should we keep it in?

是一個安全的故事。我不知道。我真的不知道。你以為我會講什麼樣的故事？我們不去那裡。要保留嗎？

Should we Should we keep this in? That's for subscribers only. Just kidding. We don't have a subscription service. But anyways, should we I I wanted to say on the love part, another personal anecdote

我們要保留這個嗎？那是只給訂閱者的。開玩笑的。我們沒有訂閱服務。但總之，我想說關於愛情的部分，另一個個人軼事

um is that I have um a two friends who are married and um they were telling me more about their relationship and a mantra that like they share is they ask

嗯是我有兩個已婚的朋友，嗯他們告訴我更多關於他們的關係，他們分享的一句箴言是他們在

each other after a long day. They both work. They ask each other like, "How can I love you better?" Whoa. Yes. Yes. Who day? Tell me later. Beep and beep. Um,

漫長的一天後互相問。他們都工作。他們互相問：「我怎麼能更好地愛你？」哇。是的。是的。誰天天？等下再告訴我。嗶和嗶。嗯，

and they're like, you know, happily married, recently married, but like that's something that's been a fixture of their relationship is that they ask each other that. And I love the story or

他們，你知道，幸福結婚，新婚，但那是他們關係的固定部分，他們互相問那個問題。我喜歡這個故事或

just even that mantra because like I aspire to have a relationship like that where it's so rooted in growth and like how can I be better? Not that I'm doing

就是那句箴言因為我嚮往擁有那樣的關係，如此根植於成長和我怎麼能更好？不是我做了

anything wrong, but I just want to like continually grow and be better and like love you better. I think that's a very beautiful thing. It's so intentional. It

任何錯事，但我只是想持續成長、變得更好並更好地愛你。我認為那是非常美麗的事情。這很刻意。它

is. I want that. I want that for me.

是的。我想要那個。我為自己想要那個。

She's Yeah. She wants the book. She wants the, you know, you know. Yeah.

她是的。她想要那本書。她想要，你知道，你知道。是的。

Yeah. How can I love you better every day? How can I love you better every day? Um, don't answer that.

是的。我怎麼能每天更好地愛你？我怎麼能每天更好地愛你？嗯，別回答那個。

Okay. And before we move on to the next framework, just a really quick mini exercise for you guys to do is one, identify a limiting belief that you

好的。在我們進入下一個框架之前，給你們一個非常快速的小練習，一，找出你

have. And then two, rewrite it with a growth mindset approach. So an example of this, we talked about it in one of our previous episodes, but I learned this at Stanford and it's basically

有的一個限制性信念。然後二，用成長型心態的方式重寫它。所以一個例子，我們在之前的節目中談到過，但我在斯坦福學到這個，基本上是

manifestation but better. Um, one of our one of my professors, Joel Peterson, he has these mantras and they were based off of his previous limiting beliefs. So, for example, one of his

更好的顯化。嗯，我們的一位我的教授，Joel Peterson，他有這些箴言，它們是基於他以前的限制性信念。例如，他的一個

limiting beliefs is that he thought he was a very emotional person, like he let his emotions get the best of him sometimes. So, he turned that around and instead of having his emotions control

限制性信念是他認為自己是一個非常情緒化的人，有時候他讓情緒控制了自己。所以，他把它轉變了，而不是讓他的情緒控制

him, his new mantra or what he, you know, how he talks to himself is he says, "I am not my emotions." So, that's just one very quick example of a

他，他的新箴言或者他，你知道，對自己說的方式是他說：「我不是我的情緒。」所以，這只是一個非常快速的

limiting belief that you might have and one way to turn it on its head. Now, try the exercise on your own and let us know in the comments what you write down. I

你可能有的限制性信念和一種翻轉它的方式的例子。現在，自己嘗試這個練習，並在評論中告訴我們你寫下了什麼。我

feel like a teacher. The last framework we're going to talk about today is a concept popularized by Stamford called design thinking. This framework called designing your life helps you cut wasted

感覺像個老師。我們今天要談的最後一個框架是斯坦福大學普及的一個叫做設計思維的概念。這個叫做設計你的生活的框架幫助你減少浪費的

time by allowing you to quickly test your ideas. They have a book and also a class at Stanford where they teach this to students. I didn't get the chance to

時間，讓你快速測試你的想法。他們有一本書，還在斯坦福有一門課，教學生這個。我沒有機會

take the class at Stanford but many of my friends did. And the four parts of this framework are as follows. The first is curiosity. The second is prototyping experiences. The third is reframing

在斯坦福上那門課，但我很多朋友上了。這個框架的四個部分如下。第一是好奇心。第二是原型體驗。第三是重構

problems. And the fourth is radical collaboration. H. So this framework emphasizes action and taking small experiments over like endless thought exercises and pondering. So, one way I

問題。第四是激進合作。所以這個框架強調行動和做小實驗，而不是無休止的思考練習和沉思。所以，一種我

applied this framework in my own life is that after I finally left Snap after working there for seven years, I wanted to try out a bunch of different things

在自己生活中應用這個框架的方式是，在我工作了七年後終於離開 Snap 之後，我想嘗試一堆不同的事情

that basically I'd never done in my life. Like I was kind of trying to figure out what I wanted to do next before I decided to start this company

基本上是我一生中從未做過的。就像我在試圖找出我下一步想做什麼，在我決定和

with Sheree Sisters Worldwide. And um one thing that I have always loved is fashion. And like basically at every point in my life where I could um do

Sheree 一起創辦 Sisters Worldwide 這家公司之前。嗯我一直很喜歡的一件事是時尚。基本上在我人生中每個我可以

like take on a job or like a new career before aside from the job that I actually ended up doing, I looked at many different like roles in fashion. So

接受一份工作或開始新職業的時刻，除了我最終實際做的工作之外，我都看了很多時尚方面的不同角色。所以

finally I had this opportunity to like work in fashion. So, what I ended up doing is I took this unpaid internship where I worked at a place called the

終於我有了這個機會在時尚界工作。所以，我最終做的是我接受了一個無薪實習，我在一個叫

Albbright Fashion Library in LA in LA where I actually worked as a stylist.

Albbright Fashion Library 的地方工作，在洛杉磯，我實際上是作為造型師工作。

And it was like the one of the most fun and like fulfilling things I've ever done. And it's not like it was like particularly glamorous. Like I feel

這是我做過的最有趣、最有成就感的事情之一。而且這不是說它特別光鮮。我感覺

like, you know, 20% of the time my job was to like rearrange the like massive shoe closet. So, like it's not like I was, you know, like doing like a super

就像，你知道，20% 的時間我的工作是重新整理那個巨大的鞋櫃。所以，不是說我，你知道，在做像超級

highpowered like job at, you know, a Parisian couture house or something like that, but it was just so fun to be able to like be in the industry and finally

高級的工作，比如在巴黎高級訂製時裝屋或類似的地方，但能夠在這個行業裡並最終

test out this hypothesis that I had had for like 20some years of like, do I actually want to work in the fashion industry or do I just want to be, you

測試這個我 20 多年來一直有的假設真是太有趣了，我真的想在時尚行業工作還是只是想成為一個

know, like a participant through sort of like consumption and enjoying it? So that was something where yeah like I basically like invented this internship for myself where I worked there one day

通過消費和享受的參與者？所以那是一個，是的，我基本上為自己創造了這個實習機會，我每週在那裡工作一天

a week for the whole day. It shows to me how actionoriented you are and kind of to tie together this uh framework with the first framework that we talked about

一整天。這向我展示了你是多麼行動導向，並且把這個框架和我們談到的第一個框架聯繫在一起

with transitions. I think it's really important that after doing some reflection and you know you were in the neutral zone figuring out what you want to do next, you were able to test out

關於轉變。我認為非常重要的是，在做了一些反思之後，你知道你在中立區試圖找出下一步想做什麼，你能夠用

this new beginning with an internship. It was like a mini test to see if you liked it or not um and to see you know what your next moves would be after you

一個實習來測試這個新的開始。這就像一個迷你測試，看你是否喜歡它，嗯並且看你知道你在

gather information from the external world. So I think it's so cool that you were able to, you know, um reflect and then figure out your next moves. Yeah.

從外部世界收集資訊後的下一步行動會是什麼。所以我認為你能夠，你知道，反思然後找出下一步行動非常酷。是的。

and then also like create this opportunity for myself. A lot of people in general I think feel very paralyzed.

然後也為自己創造這個機會。我認為很多人一般會感到非常癱瘓。

I know I often do if like I'm stuck and I'm like I don't know what to do next.

我知道我經常這樣如果我卡住了我就會想我不知道下一步該做什麼。

So that like having this design thinking framework allows you to break out of the paralysis and be like let me at least test something and try something because

所以擁有這個設計思維框架讓你能夠擺脫癱瘓狀態，然後想讓我至少測試一些東西，嘗試一些東西因為

I know with a growth mindset I will learn something no matter if it goes well or not. I might fail and that's fine, but that means I'm learning. Yeah,

我知道有了成長型心態我會學到東西，無論進展順利與否。我可能會失敗，那也沒關係，但那意味著我在學習。是的，

I love how you tied those mindsets together. That's very nice. Thank you.

我喜歡你把這些心態聯繫在一起。非常好。謝謝。

Well done. Brava. Okay, so now it's time for the mini exercise. So the mini exercise for this is to think about an area that you want to pivot and then next

做得很好。太棒了。好的，現在是迷你練習的時間。這個迷你練習是想想你想要轉向的一個領域，然後接下來

brainstorm two experiments you can do. They can be like really really tiny experiments. They don't have to be massive, but think about two experiments that you can do to actually test out the

想出兩個你可以做的實驗。它們可以是非常非常小的實驗。不一定要很大，但想想兩個你可以做的實驗來實際測試

pivot. And if you want, you can share your pivot or you can share your experiment in the comments so that you can have some social accountability.

這個轉變。如果你想，你可以在評論中分享你的轉變或實驗，這樣你可以有一些社交責任感。

We'll be reading them. Yeah. And if you leave a comment about it, I we will read them and respond to them. Oo, yeah. So, should we wrap up, Sheree? Yes, we

我們會閱讀它們。是的。如果你留下關於它的評論，我們會閱讀並回覆它們。哦，是的。那麼，我們應該總結一下嗎，Sheree？是的，我們

should. To wrap up, we talked about three frameworks today. one, the William Bridges transition framework. Two, Carol Dwek's growth mindset framework. And three, Bill Bernett and Dave Evans

應該。總結一下，我們今天談了三個框架。一，威廉布里奇斯的轉變框架。二，卡羅爾德韋克的成長型心態框架。三，比爾伯內特和戴夫埃文斯的

design your life framework. So, you can think about these individually or you can try and combine them. But we hope this was really helpful for you guys.

設計你的生活框架。所以，你可以單獨考慮這些，也可以嘗試把它們結合起來。但我們希望這對你們真的有幫助。

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是的。如果你覺得有幫助，請分享給你的朋友幫助我們達到 100 萬。當然也別忘了點讚、評論和訂閱。並在 Apple Podcasts 和

Spotify. It's a long list, but you know, you can do all of them. We believe in you. Thank you guys so much for supporting our podcast and for tuning

Spotify 上給我們五星好評。這是一個很長的清單，但你知道，你可以全部做到。我們相信你。非常感謝你們支持我們的播客和

in. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.

收聽。我們下次見。拜拜。

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