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Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today, Jennifer Lawrence. Jen and I, we have a good time and we laugh
大家好，歡迎收聽 Good Hang 新一集。今天來賓是 Jennifer Lawrence，我們超期待。
a lot in this episode and we talk about a lot of great things. Her incredible career, the surprising parts of Parenthood, um her long torso, my short
這集我們聊很多、笑很多，也聊了很多很棒的事：她不可思議的職業、為人母的意外一面、她的長上身、我的短
legs, um and we do what we always like to do here in Good Hang. We sing along to Shaniah Twain. But before we get started, we want to talk to somebody who
腿，還有我們在 Good Hang 最愛做的事：跟著 Shania Twain 一起唱。但在開始前，我們想找一位
knows our guest, who can speak well behind her back and give me a question to ask this guest. And we are joined by Justine Shuraki. Justine is a producer.
認識來賓的人，能在背後好好說她，並給我一個問題問這位來賓。我們請到 Justine Shuraki。Justine 是製片，
She runs Excellent Cadaavver, the production company that's produced uh films like Causeway and Die My Love. And uh her and Jen have been friends forever. So Justine, are you there?
她經營 Excellent Cadaver，這家製作公司做過《Causeway》《Die My Love》等片。她和 Jen 是老朋友。Justine，你在嗎？
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>> Hi. I'm really happy to talk to you today because I mean I think the stuff that you guys have done together is really really special but also you just
嗨。今天能跟你聊我很開心，因為你們一起做的事真的很特別，而且你們
shared a long history together as people in the world and friends.
在世界上、作為朋友，也有一段很長的共同經歷。
>> Well that's very generous of you to say and obviously we've been enormous fans for hundred years. So it's like such an honor to talk to you and I'm like
你這樣說太客氣了。我們當你們粉絲一百年了，能跟你聊真是榮幸，我簡直
pinching myself and she is too that she's coming on the podcast. So >> oh my god she's so good at podcasts. I mean she's so good at talking.
不敢相信，她也是，她要上播客了。她做播客超厲害，超會講話。
>> That's that's her for sure.
沒錯，就是她。
Now, um, before we start talking about Jennifer, I do want to talk about you.
在聊 Jennifer 之前，我想先聊聊你。
Where did you grow up?
你在哪裡長大？
>> I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware.
我在德拉瓦州威明頓長大。
>> I actually think we have Aubrey Plaza in common. And I grew up with Aubrey and did community theater with her.
我想我們有個共同點是 Aubrey Plaza。我和 Aubrey 一起長大，一起做社區劇場。
>> You did your childhood? Yes. Yes.
小時候？對，對。
>> You guys went to the same school? Like you were in the same town? Yeah, >> we went to the same elementary school and we both um were in community theater
你們同校？同一個鎮？對，我們上同一所小學，都在
at the Wilmington Drama League, an esteemed venue for like most of our most of our childhood.
Wilmington Drama League 做社區劇場，那是我們童年大部分時間待的地方。
>> Oh my gosh. What was Baby Plaza like?
小時候的 Plaza 是什麼樣？
>> Exactly the same as Adult Plaza.
跟現在的 Plaza 一模一樣。
>> Like hasn't changed a bit.
一點都沒變。
>> The greatest. The greatest.
最棒。最棒。
>> That's so what a small world. And so the two of you are like there doing shows and and and performing and then where where does that take you after you
世界真小。你們兩個在那裡演戲、表演，後來呢？之後去了哪裡？
>> I didn't really know where I would fit in film and so I you know took a bunch of odd jobs and and explored and during
我不太確定自己適合電影的哪一塊，所以打過一堆零工、到處嘗試，在那段
that period I met Jen.
期間認識了 Jen。
>> And what was your first impression of her when you met? My first impression of Jen was that she was a wild beast.
你第一次見她時對她的印象是？我對 Jen 的第一印象是：她是頭野獸。
>> And also that she had because Jen didn't have like a traditional education, she also swerved a lot of the like social anxiety that I think a lot
還有因為 Jen 沒有傳統教育那種，她也避開了很多我們這年紀很多人
of people our age had been plagued with.
都被困住的那種社交焦慮。
So Jen had this like abandon and lack of self-consciousness that was really unfamiliar to all of our friends. So, we were sort of like wideeyed by her. And I
所以 Jen 有種放得開、不自我意識的氣質，我們朋友都沒有。我們都有點被她震住。而且
think that that's something that she still possesses all these years later.
我覺得這麼多年後她還是有那種特質。
It's something that she hasn't outgrown or, you know, she's she's never Yeah. She's she has not become jaded by her totally surreal lifestyle.
她沒有長大就丟掉，也沒有被那種超現實的生活弄得很世故。
>> So, how do you go from two young women like sitting on a couch in a small LA apartment to running this big company and making these big movies? Like, how
你們怎麼從兩個年輕女生坐在 LA 小公寓沙發上，變成經營大公司、拍大片？怎麼
>> Oh, man. I mean, it's it's a loaded question. I think that we met as young women and obviously developed our taste together. We were
唉，這問題好大。我們年輕時認識，一起培養品味。我們
discovering film together. Uh everything from Wong Car y to Sex in the City, you know, like it ran the gamut. And I also think that we
一起發現電影，從王家衛到《慾望城市》，什麼都有。我也覺得我們
became best friends. And so what we we care about similar things.
成了最好的朋友，所以我們在乎的事很像。
We're moved by similar things. we have similar reactions to life and what's happening in the world and that really is the basis for our decision-m around
被類似的事打動，對人生、對世界發生的事反應很像，那真的是我們做製片、決定
what we take on as producers. So, I think the obviously like extraordinary happen stance of Jen, Jen's young success and her being in this incredible
接什麼案的基礎。所以 Jen 年輕就成功、站到能推動案子成真的
position to get things made and then Jen and I continuing to like care for our relationship and continuing to grow together. And so I think the
位置，我們又持續經營關係、一起成長，我覺得
Odyssey has involved a ton of hard work and care and um all the things you would imagine and also us uh continuing to grow and being excited to
這段旅程包含很多努力和用心，還有你能想到的一切，以及我們持續成長、樂意
>> And I also I loved Causeway.
我也很愛《Causeway》。
>> Such a beautiful movie. I want to talk to Jenna about it. I just it's just a great great movie. beautiful director, Laya.
好美的電影。我想跟 Jen 聊這部。就是一部很棒的電影，導演 Laya 也很棒。
>> Oh, we love Y Laya.
我們超愛 Laya。
>> Brian is so Brian Tyrie Henry is so good. Jen is so convincing as the character that she plays, like a a physically and kind of spiritually
Brian Tyrie Henry 演得超好。Jen 演那個角色非常說服人，一個身心都
wounded vet who's returning home. It's so good. Such a good movie.
受創、返家的退伍軍人。超好看，好片。
>> It's it's it's always so nice to see Jen in those roles where the the kind of like stripped back, quieter performances where it's like so much of it is just
看 Jen 演那種收斂、安靜的戲總是很好，很多東西就在
happening in her eyes. You know, >> I don't I mean I don't I don't know how to act like that. Like I mean we were
她眼神裡。你知道，我不會演那種。我們
kind of talking about we were talking about interviewing her and we were like and you know it's hard not to be like you're so good at acting.
聊到要訪問她時就在想，很難不脫口說「你演戲超厲害」。
>> Well, she is so good at acting.
她演戲就是很厲害。
>> She she's she's good. That's pretty good.
她很好，真的很厲害。
>> Like you just are there times when you're watching her and you're like, damn, she's really good at acting.
有時候看她演戲你會想：天啊，她真的超會演。
>> Every time. Every time. Like I I I've sat on probably 11 sets with Jen and every time my mind is just like blowing out of my face. I'm like still like it
每次。每次。我大概坐過 Jen 十一部片的片場，每次我都目瞪口呆，還是會
does not get old. She just levels up every time.
不會膩。她每次都在進步。
>> Mhm. You know her really well. You know, sometimes we we ask people to talk well behind our guest back and they've worked with them or they kind of know them. But
你很了解她。我們有時請人在背後說來賓好話，他們合作過或認識。但
you have you know her really really well. um you've known her for a really long time and you're deep partners in in in work and you're loving
你認識她很久、很熟，在工作上是深度夥伴，在生活中是
friends in life and what do you think I should ask her today? Um what do you want to know about, hear about, or what do you think she'd want to talk about or
好朋友。你覺得今天該問她什麼？有什麼你想知道、想聽的，或你覺得她會想聊、想
a story she'd want to tell? Oh man, I mean with Jen, it's funny because she is so um like transparent in these spaces.
講的故事？唉，Jen 很好玩，她在這種場合超級
Like I don't think that she's somebody who where there are like a ton of subjects that are off limits.
透明。我不覺得她有很多話題是禁區。
>> Well, it's okay. This is really helpful because I've been prepping for the interview and I don't want to put her in an uncomfortable position ever to ask
好，這很有幫助。我一直在準備訪問，不想讓她不舒服、問她
her something she doesn't want to talk about, but she also feels really um well aware of what she feels comfortable talking about. I guess. Um
不想聊的事，但她好像也很清楚自己願意聊什麼。
>> I think she is and I think she'll also like tell you like I think that she I think like she'll pivot if she needs to.
我覺得她是，而且她需要時也會轉彎，我覺得她會。
>> You never have to answer a question if you don't want to answer. And it is and it's a magic trick to not answer it. And
你不想答就不用答。不答還能讓人忘記問了什麼，像變魔術。
people often forget that what question they asked.
大家常忘記自己問了什麼。
>> I mean this isn't a good thing to tell a guest. Probably this is probably not a good thing to get. But anyway, do you have It doesn't have to
這不該跟來賓講啦。總之，不一定要
be a heavy question. It can be something small. anything that you think we should ask her today?
嚴肅的問題，可以是很小的事。你覺得今天該問她什麼？
>> I mean gosh, like maybe because she's in a position of constantly being asked questions and she is never in charge of what is being asked. Like maybe it's
也許因為她老是被問問題、從來不能決定被問什麼，可以
asking her like what would you like to talk more about that you don't feel >> Whoa, that's a good friend opportunity to declare, you know, maybe maybe she
問她：有什麼你想多聊、但平常沒機會說的？哇，這是好朋友才會問的。也許她
has a big announcement >> or just something that she'd like to like reflect on.
有大事要宣布，或只是想反思什麼。
>> You know what? That's a really good friend because what you're basically saying is just check in with her and see if there's anything else she wants to
你這說法根本就是：去確認她、看她還有沒有想
>> Yeah, >> it's so true.
說的。對，真的。
>> What she like is tired of talking about, you know, that too.
她聊什麼已經聊膩了，也可以問。
>> What are what do you want? It's basically like you're at the TSA and it's like what do you want to declare?
你要申報什麼？就像過 TSA 安檢，你要申報什麼？
>> And what and what perishables would you like to get rid of?
有什麼易壞的要丟掉？
Well, no, but thank you so much and um I will give your best to Aubrey Plaza. I like picturing you guys being weird together in Wilmington.
總之非常謝謝你，我會幫你向 Aubrey Plaza 問好。想到你們在威明頓一起搞怪就很好玩。
>> Yeah, that's that's that's the right picture.
對，就是那樣。
>> Justine, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
Justine，謝謝你的時間，真的很感謝。
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me. Have a question, Jen.
謝謝，謝謝邀請。有個問題要問 Jen。
>> All right. Nice talking to you.
好，跟你聊很開心。
>> I have to watch. All right. See you later.
我得看。好，待會見。
>> Okay. Take care. Bye.
好，保重，掰。
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>> Jen, >> hi. My voice was so deep.
Jen，嗨。我聲音好低。
I'm very excited that you're here.
你來我超開心。
>> I'm so excited to be here. I am a really, really huge fan.
能來我超開心。我是超級鐵粉。
>> Oh, come on.
少來。
>> No, I'm obviously being sarcastic.
沒有，我 obviously 在反諷。
>> Well, I was worried about what to wear today cuz your style is so dope.
我今天很煩要穿什麼，因為你穿搭太讚了。
>> You have great style.
你穿搭很棒。
>> Oh my god, that's the only thing you need to say to me ever.
天啊，你這輩子只要跟我說這句就好。
>> And what is your I want to know how do you pick clothes? What is your relationship to clothes?
我想知道你是怎麼挑衣服的？你和衣服的關係是什麼？
>> Okay, thank you so much. um would love to talk about this. I'll just >> because I'm fascinated because I'm struggling with mine.
好，謝謝。很想聊這個。因為我很著迷，因為我自己在掙紮。
>> Um I Well, I I have a I have very opinionated friends. One in particular, very opinionated friends. And we clear out we I do I do a lot of closet
我朋友很有主見，尤其有一個。我們會清衣櫃，我常做衣櫃
cleanouts. I think living in New York helps with that.
大清倉。住紐約有幫助。
>> I don't have a lot of excess stuff that confuses me.
我沒有很多多餘的東西讓我困惑。
>> I have things that I really like.
我有我真的很喜歡的東西。
>> Do you think about Do you plan your outfits for the I mean, obviously with press it's different. I mean, >> plan your outfits for the week. I do it
你會事先想、規劃一週的穿搭嗎？宣傳期當然不一樣。我是
like mentally. I like start kind of planning something and I I take my kid to school and I know that I'm going to get photographed, right?
在腦子裡想。我會開始想今天要穿什麼，送小孩上學時知道會被拍，對吧？
>> So, I I do kind of do like a mental >> like >> like what do I how do I want to present today?
所以我會在心裡想：今天想呈現什麼樣子？
>> Cuz cuz the answer is always the same.
因為答案永遠一樣。
Today I want to present as like effortless but you know like >> this girl, how did she get so what I put on? Um, and you know what
今天想呈現得很隨意，但又像「這女生怎麼穿都好看」。還有什麼
else is really important to remember?
很重要要記住？
>> You can write it down.
你可以寫下來。
>> Big goes with big.
大的配大的。
>> Okay. This is >> And if it's going if it's going to be if it's No, but if it's going to be if it's going to be tight, if if you're going to
好。還有如果上身緊、下身鬆，
have a baggie and a tight, you cannot ever have tight on the bottom, baggy on the top, or you'll look like a lamp. You can have baggy on the bottom and tight
不能反過來：下身緊、上身鬆，不然會像燈罩。可以下身鬆、上身緊，
on the top, but you cannot do the other way around.
但不能反過來。
>> I'll tell you something about baggy on the bottom. I wore baggy on the bottom for you today. You did.
跟你說，我今天下半身就穿鬆的給你看。真的嗎。
>> Yeah. I'll show you later. I I have baggy pants.
對，待會給你看。我穿寬褲。
>> Um I'm so short. It like It's tough.
我太矮了，很難搭。
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Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today, Jennifer Lawrence. Jen and I, we have a good time and we laugh
大家好，歡迎收聽 Good Hang 新一集。今天來賓是 Jennifer Lawrence，我們超期待。
a lot in this episode and we talk about a lot of great things. Her incredible career, the surprising parts of Parenthood, um her long torso, my short
這集我們聊很多、笑很多，也聊了很多很棒的事：她不可思議的職業、為人母的意外一面、她的長上身、我的短
legs, um and we do what we always like to do here in Good Hang. We sing along to Shaniah Twain. But before we get started, we want to talk to somebody who
腿，還有我們在 Good Hang 最愛做的事：跟著 Shania Twain 一起唱。但在開始前，我們想找一位
knows our guest, who can speak well behind her back and give me a question to ask this guest. And we are joined by Justine Shuraki. Justine is a producer.
認識來賓的人，能在背後好好說她，並給我一個問題問這位來賓。我們請到 Justine Shuraki。Justine 是製片，
She runs Excellent Cadaavver, the production company that's produced uh films like Causeway and Die My Love. And uh her and Jen have been friends forever. So Justine, are you there?
她經營 Excellent Cadaver，這家製作公司做過《Causeway》《Die My Love》等片。她和 Jen 是老朋友。Justine，你在嗎？
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>> Hi. I'm really happy to talk to you today because I mean I think the stuff that you guys have done together is really really special but also you just
嗨。今天能跟你聊我很開心，因為你們一起做的事真的很特別，而且你們
shared a long history together as people in the world and friends.
在世界上、作為朋友，也有一段很長的共同經歷。
>> Well that's very generous of you to say and obviously we've been enormous fans for hundred years. So it's like such an honor to talk to you and I'm like
你這樣說太客氣了。我們當你們粉絲一百年了，能跟你聊真是榮幸，我簡直
pinching myself and she is too that she's coming on the podcast. So >> oh my god she's so good at podcasts. I mean she's so good at talking.
不敢相信，她也是，她要上播客了。她做播客超厲害，超會講話。
>> That's that's her for sure.
沒錯，就是她。
Now, um, before we start talking about Jennifer, I do want to talk about you.
在聊 Jennifer 之前，我想先聊聊你。
Where did you grow up?
你在哪裡長大？
>> I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware.
我在德拉瓦州威明頓長大。
>> I actually think we have Aubrey Plaza in common. And I grew up with Aubrey and did community theater with her.
我想我們有個共同點是 Aubrey Plaza。我和 Aubrey 一起長大，一起做社區劇場。
>> You did your childhood? Yes. Yes.
小時候？對，對。
>> You guys went to the same school? Like you were in the same town? Yeah, >> we went to the same elementary school and we both um were in community theater
你們同校？同一個鎮？對，我們上同一所小學，都在
at the Wilmington Drama League, an esteemed venue for like most of our most of our childhood.
Wilmington Drama League 做社區劇場，那是我們童年大部分時間待的地方。
>> Oh my gosh. What was Baby Plaza like?
小時候的 Plaza 是什麼樣？
>> Exactly the same as Adult Plaza.
跟現在的 Plaza 一模一樣。
>> Like hasn't changed a bit.
一點都沒變。
>> The greatest. The greatest.
最棒。最棒。
>> That's so what a small world. And so the two of you are like there doing shows and and and performing and then where where does that take you after you
世界真小。你們兩個在那裡演戲、表演，後來呢？之後去了哪裡？
>> I didn't really know where I would fit in film and so I you know took a bunch of odd jobs and and explored and during
我不太確定自己適合電影的哪一塊，所以打過一堆零工、到處嘗試，在那段
that period I met Jen.
期間認識了 Jen。
>> And what was your first impression of her when you met? My first impression of Jen was that she was a wild beast.
你第一次見她時對她的印象是？我對 Jen 的第一印象是：她是頭野獸。
>> And also that she had because Jen didn't have like a traditional education, she also swerved a lot of the like social anxiety that I think a lot
還有因為 Jen 沒有傳統教育那種，她也避開了很多我們這年紀很多人
of people our age had been plagued with.
都被困住的那種社交焦慮。
So Jen had this like abandon and lack of self-consciousness that was really unfamiliar to all of our friends. So, we were sort of like wideeyed by her. And I
所以 Jen 有種放得開、不自我意識的氣質，我們朋友都沒有。我們都有點被她震住。而且
think that that's something that she still possesses all these years later.
我覺得這麼多年後她還是有那種特質。
It's something that she hasn't outgrown or, you know, she's she's never Yeah. She's she has not become jaded by her totally surreal lifestyle.
她沒有長大就丟掉，也沒有被那種超現實的生活弄得很世故。
>> So, how do you go from two young women like sitting on a couch in a small LA apartment to running this big company and making these big movies? Like, how
你們怎麼從兩個年輕女生坐在 LA 小公寓沙發上，變成經營大公司、拍大片？怎麼
>> Oh, man. I mean, it's it's a loaded question. I think that we met as young women and obviously developed our taste together. We were
唉，這問題好大。我們年輕時認識，一起培養品味。我們
discovering film together. Uh everything from Wong Car y to Sex in the City, you know, like it ran the gamut. And I also think that we
一起發現電影，從王家衛到《慾望城市》，什麼都有。我也覺得我們
became best friends. And so what we we care about similar things.
成了最好的朋友，所以我們在乎的事很像。
We're moved by similar things. we have similar reactions to life and what's happening in the world and that really is the basis for our decision-m around
被類似的事打動，對人生、對世界發生的事反應很像，那真的是我們做製片、決定
what we take on as producers. So, I think the obviously like extraordinary happen stance of Jen, Jen's young success and her being in this incredible
接什麼案的基礎。所以 Jen 年輕就成功、站到能推動案子成真的
position to get things made and then Jen and I continuing to like care for our relationship and continuing to grow together. And so I think the
位置，我們又持續經營關係、一起成長，我覺得
Odyssey has involved a ton of hard work and care and um all the things you would imagine and also us uh continuing to grow and being excited to
這段旅程包含很多努力和用心，還有你能想到的一切，以及我們持續成長、樂意
>> And I also I loved Causeway.
我也很愛《Causeway》。
>> Such a beautiful movie. I want to talk to Jenna about it. I just it's just a great great movie. beautiful director, Laya.
好美的電影。我想跟 Jen 聊這部。就是一部很棒的電影，導演 Laya 也很棒。
>> Oh, we love Y Laya.
我們超愛 Laya。
>> Brian is so Brian Tyrie Henry is so good. Jen is so convincing as the character that she plays, like a a physically and kind of spiritually
Brian Tyrie Henry 演得超好。Jen 演那個角色非常說服人，一個身心都
wounded vet who's returning home. It's so good. Such a good movie.
受創、返家的退伍軍人。超好看，好片。
>> It's it's it's always so nice to see Jen in those roles where the the kind of like stripped back, quieter performances where it's like so much of it is just
看 Jen 演那種收斂、安靜的戲總是很好，很多東西就在
happening in her eyes. You know, >> I don't I mean I don't I don't know how to act like that. Like I mean we were
她眼神裡。你知道，我不會演那種。我們
kind of talking about we were talking about interviewing her and we were like and you know it's hard not to be like you're so good at acting.
聊到要訪問她時就在想，很難不脫口說「你演戲超厲害」。
>> Well, she is so good at acting.
她演戲就是很厲害。
>> She she's she's good. That's pretty good.
她很好，真的很厲害。
>> Like you just are there times when you're watching her and you're like, damn, she's really good at acting.
有時候看她演戲你會想：天啊，她真的超會演。
>> Every time. Every time. Like I I I've sat on probably 11 sets with Jen and every time my mind is just like blowing out of my face. I'm like still like it
每次。每次。我大概坐過 Jen 十一部片的片場，每次我都目瞪口呆，還是會
does not get old. She just levels up every time.
不會膩。她每次都在進步。
>> Mhm. You know her really well. You know, sometimes we we ask people to talk well behind our guest back and they've worked with them or they kind of know them. But
你很了解她。我們有時請人在背後說來賓好話，他們合作過或認識。但
you have you know her really really well. um you've known her for a really long time and you're deep partners in in in work and you're loving
你認識她很久、很熟，在工作上是深度夥伴，在生活中是
friends in life and what do you think I should ask her today? Um what do you want to know about, hear about, or what do you think she'd want to talk about or
好朋友。你覺得今天該問她什麼？有什麼你想知道、想聽的，或你覺得她會想聊、想
a story she'd want to tell? Oh man, I mean with Jen, it's funny because she is so um like transparent in these spaces.
講的故事？唉，Jen 很好玩，她在這種場合超級
Like I don't think that she's somebody who where there are like a ton of subjects that are off limits.
透明。我不覺得她有很多話題是禁區。
>> Well, it's okay. This is really helpful because I've been prepping for the interview and I don't want to put her in an uncomfortable position ever to ask
好，這很有幫助。我一直在準備訪問，不想讓她不舒服、問她
her something she doesn't want to talk about, but she also feels really um well aware of what she feels comfortable talking about. I guess. Um
不想聊的事，但她好像也很清楚自己願意聊什麼。
>> I think she is and I think she'll also like tell you like I think that she I think like she'll pivot if she needs to.
我覺得她是，而且她需要時也會轉彎，我覺得她會。
>> You never have to answer a question if you don't want to answer. And it is and it's a magic trick to not answer it. And
你不想答就不用答。不答還能讓人忘記問了什麼，像變魔術。
people often forget that what question they asked.
大家常忘記自己問了什麼。
>> I mean this isn't a good thing to tell a guest. Probably this is probably not a good thing to get. But anyway, do you have It doesn't have to
這不該跟來賓講啦。總之，不一定要
be a heavy question. It can be something small. anything that you think we should ask her today?
嚴肅的問題，可以是很小的事。你覺得今天該問她什麼？
>> I mean gosh, like maybe because she's in a position of constantly being asked questions and she is never in charge of what is being asked. Like maybe it's
也許因為她老是被問問題、從來不能決定被問什麼，可以
asking her like what would you like to talk more about that you don't feel >> Whoa, that's a good friend opportunity to declare, you know, maybe maybe she
問她：有什麼你想多聊、但平常沒機會說的？哇，這是好朋友才會問的。也許她
has a big announcement >> or just something that she'd like to like reflect on.
有大事要宣布，或只是想反思什麼。
>> You know what? That's a really good friend because what you're basically saying is just check in with her and see if there's anything else she wants to
你這說法根本就是：去確認她、看她還有沒有想
>> Yeah, >> it's so true.
說的。對，真的。
>> What she like is tired of talking about, you know, that too.
她聊什麼已經聊膩了，也可以問。
>> What are what do you want? It's basically like you're at the TSA and it's like what do you want to declare?
你要申報什麼？就像過 TSA 安檢，你要申報什麼？
>> And what and what perishables would you like to get rid of?
有什麼易壞的要丟掉？
Well, no, but thank you so much and um I will give your best to Aubrey Plaza. I like picturing you guys being weird together in Wilmington.
總之非常謝謝你，我會幫你向 Aubrey Plaza 問好。想到你們在威明頓一起搞怪就很好玩。
>> Yeah, that's that's that's the right picture.
對，就是那樣。
>> Justine, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
Justine，謝謝你的時間，真的很感謝。
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me. Have a question, Jen.
謝謝，謝謝邀請。有個問題要問 Jen。
>> All right. Nice talking to you.
好，跟你聊很開心。
>> I have to watch. All right. See you later.
我得看。好，待會見。
>> Okay. Take care. Bye.
好，保重，掰。
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>> Jen, >> hi. My voice was so deep.
Jen，嗨。我聲音好低。
I'm very excited that you're here.
你來我超開心。
>> I'm so excited to be here. I am a really, really huge fan.
能來我超開心。我是超級鐵粉。
>> Oh, come on.
少來。
>> No, I'm obviously being sarcastic.
沒有，我 obviously 在反諷。
>> Well, I was worried about what to wear today cuz your style is so dope.
我今天很煩要穿什麼，因為你穿搭太讚了。
>> You have great style.
你穿搭很棒。
>> Oh my god, that's the only thing you need to say to me ever.
天啊，你這輩子只要跟我說這句就好。
>> And what is your I want to know how do you pick clothes? What is your relationship to clothes?
我想知道你是怎麼挑衣服的？你和衣服的關係是什麼？
>> Okay, thank you so much. um would love to talk about this. I'll just >> because I'm fascinated because I'm struggling with mine.
好，謝謝。很想聊這個。因為我很著迷，因為我自己在掙紮。
>> Um I Well, I I have a I have very opinionated friends. One in particular, very opinionated friends. And we clear out we I do I do a lot of closet
我朋友很有主見，尤其有一個。我們會清衣櫃，我常做衣櫃
cleanouts. I think living in New York helps with that.
大清倉。住紐約有幫助。
>> I don't have a lot of excess stuff that confuses me.
我沒有很多多餘的東西讓我困惑。
>> I have things that I really like.
我有我真的很喜歡的東西。
>> Do you think about Do you plan your outfits for the I mean, obviously with press it's different. I mean, >> plan your outfits for the week. I do it
你會事先想、規劃一週的穿搭嗎？宣傳期當然不一樣。我是
like mentally. I like start kind of planning something and I I take my kid to school and I know that I'm going to get photographed, right?
在腦子裡想。我會開始想今天要穿什麼，送小孩上學時知道會被拍，對吧？
>> So, I I do kind of do like a mental >> like >> like what do I how do I want to present today?
所以我會在心裡想：今天想呈現什麼樣子？
>> Cuz cuz the answer is always the same.
因為答案永遠一樣。
Today I want to present as like effortless but you know like >> this girl, how did she get so what I put on? Um, and you know what
今天想呈現得很隨意，但又像「這女生怎麼穿都好看」。還有什麼
else is really important to remember?
很重要要記住？
>> You can write it down.
你可以寫下來。
>> Big goes with big.
大的配大的。
>> Okay. This is >> And if it's going if it's going to be if it's No, but if it's going to be if it's going to be tight, if if you're going to
好。還有如果上身緊、下身鬆，
have a baggie and a tight, you cannot ever have tight on the bottom, baggy on the top, or you'll look like a lamp. You can have baggy on the bottom and tight
不能反過來：下身緊、上身鬆，不然會像燈罩。可以下身鬆、上身緊，
on the top, but you cannot do the other way around.
但不能反過來。
>> I'll tell you something about baggy on the bottom. I wore baggy on the bottom for you today. You did.
跟你說，我今天下半身就穿鬆的給你看。真的嗎。
>> Yeah. I'll show you later. I I have baggy pants.
對，待會給你看。我穿寬褲。
>> Um I'm so short. It like It's tough.
我太矮了，很難搭。