>> Andrew Tape, welcome back to the Jack Nail podcast.

Andrew Tate，歡迎回到 Jack Nail 播客。

>> Yeah, I think last time was Romania. I was locked up there, didn't have any prospect of getting free, and now here I am in a movie studio in LA. It's pretty

對，上次是在羅馬尼亞。我被關在那裡，沒什麼獲釋的希望，現在卻在洛杉磯的電影棚裡。

>> Uh yeah, welcome to Hollywood. But yeah, we'll just get right into it.

對，歡迎來到好萊塢。我們直接開始吧。

There was a recent clip of you and a few other influencers at a nightclub with Yay song playing in the background. This quickly became an international

最近有一段你和幾位網紅在夜店、背景放著某首歌的片段，很快變成國際事件。

>> You know what? I can't take a piss without getting an international incident. Do you have any idea the a level of stress and heat

你知道嗎？我連去尿個尿都能搞成國際事件。你知道那種壓力和關注有多重嗎？

that's on your head when you are constantly going through life thinking if I stop at this doughut store and buy a donut, it's going to end up an

你整天過日子都在想：要是我在這家甜甜圈店停下來買個甜甜圈，會不會又變成

international incident? Yeah, I didn't expect that. Um, Clav and Nick, who had never met before, they wanted to stream.

國際事件？對，我沒料到。Clav 和 Nick 之前沒見過，他們想直播。

So, we started streaming and then they talked about it being Nick's first day in the club. I thought I'd have to go and check it out. And of course it was

所以就開始直播，聊到那是 Nick 第一次來夜店。我想說得去看看，結果當然

an international incident. Of course.

就變成國際事件。當然。

>> Do you believe what happened to you was unfair?

你覺得發生在你身上的事公平嗎？

>> Look, I've never said anything positive about Israel in my life ever.

我這輩子從來沒說過以色列什麼好話。

But I think this whole anti-semitic movement online, if we're going to actually truthfully address it as professionals, has it gotten out of control? I'm not

但我覺得網上這股反猶風潮，若我們專業、誠實地看，是不是已經失控？我不

sure. If I walk down the street and someone comes up to me and says, "Hey, Andrew. Hey, I'm a huge fan. Hi, I'm from Israel. I'm going to say, okay, can

確定。若我走在街上有人過來說「嘿 Andrew，我是鐵粉，我來自以色列」，我會說好啊，可以

I have a picture? Sure. A am I supposed to punch them in the face? Am I supposed to pull out a knife and stab them?

合照嗎？可以。我該揍他嗎？該拔刀捅他嗎？

>> It seems like that's what some people want you to do.

好像有些人就是要你這樣做。

>> Well, that's what people want me to do, right? If someone comes up to me and says, "Hey, I Israel is uh government is justified in their genocide." I'm going

對，有些人就是要我這樣。若有人來跟我說「以色列政府種族滅絕是正當的」，我會

to say, "No, they're not. I think their genocide is completely disgusting. I disagree with nearly everything the Israeli government does." I would argue that the ADL has far too much control

說「不，不是。我覺得那種種族滅絕噁心至極。以色列政府做的事我幾乎都反對。」我會說 ADL 對美國政治的掌控實在太大。

over American politics. I would argue there is certainly something strange with the amount of Jewish power that exists in the West. And also the powerful Jews who I meet and who I know

我會說西方猶太勢力確實有某種異常。而我認識的那些有權有勢的猶太人

brag about that. They're not ashamed of that. They actually say, you know, if you say to a Jew as a non-Jewish person, you control everything, they say you're

會炫耀這點。他們不以為恥，他們私底下會說：你一個非猶太人說「你們掌控一切」，他們就說你

anti-Semitic. But when you sit with them in private, they're like, we control everything. And they think it's funny.

反猶。但私下跟他們坐在一起，他們會說：我們就是掌控一切。還覺得很好笑。

So all of that I've been very clear on my positions, but people seem to believe I should just, I don't know, walk around and randomly attack any man who comes up

這些立場我都講得很清楚，但大家好像覺得我該隨便在路上攻擊任何一個

to me who hints that he might have visited Israel at some point. And I think the reason we have this phenomenon is people are trying to escape the

暗示可能去過以色列的人。我覺得會有這種現象，是因為大家想逃離

matrix, right? People are trying to escape their enslavement and understand how the world works. But the pendulum swings both ways. People are waking up and saying, "I don't understand why my

母體，對吧？大家想逃離被奴役、想搞懂世界怎麼運作。但鐘擺會兩邊擺。大家醒來會說「我不懂為什麼我

life is shit." And then they're researching online and going, "Ah, my life is because of the Jews." But then they're getting enslaved in a different trap at the other side because

人生這麼爛。」然後上網查，說「啊，我的人生都是猶太人害的。」但他們只是掉進另一邊的陷阱，因為

then they're saying, "Oh, so I can't win." And everything in life is permanently because of the Jews.

他們會說「所以我贏不了。人生一切永遠都是猶太人害的。」

The Jews don't stop you going to the gym. If you have skinny arms, the Jews didn't do it. But there are people on the internet who will argue, "Yes, they

猶太人沒阻止你去健身房。你手臂細，不是猶太人害的。但網上有人會說「是他們害的，

did because Jews have convinced us to be demoralized." and my dog bit me cuz a Jew told it to and that and it goes so

因為猶太人讓我們士氣低落。」還有「我的狗咬我是猶太人叫牠咬的」，扯到

far the other way that they haven't escaped any prison. They're back in a new prison which is blaming the Jews for everything. So there's certainly some

另一頭去了，他們根本沒逃出任何牢籠，只是換成把一切怪給猶太人的新牢籠。所以確實有些

valid arguments and I've been very clear on what those arguments are. But I have to be very honest with this anti-semitic crap. I have to be very honest and maybe

合理論點，我也講得很清楚。但對這套反猶廢話我得非常坦白。也許

Nick Fuentes and Dan Bolzerian and people who are more extreme than me will disagree. I'm not sure. But I believe Dan Bzerian had Jewish business

Nick Fuentes、Dan Bolzerian 那些比我極端的人會不同意。我不確定。但我相信 Dan Bzerian 有猶太

partners. I don't know what Nick would do, but if I came to film a movie in Hollywood in a movie studio and I got paid $100 million and I'm making a movie

生意夥伴。我不知道 Nick 會怎樣，但若我來好萊塢電影棚拍片、拿一億美元、正在拍片，

and halfway through I find out that one of the 300 people who work for the film crew is Jewish.

拍到一半發現劇組三百人裡有一個是猶太人。

Am I supposed to stop making the movie?

我該停拍嗎？

Because according to the anti-Semitics on the internet, I should instantly do a salute and walk off and give all the money back. And it's very interesting

照網上反猶那套說法，我該立刻敬禮、走人、把錢全退。很有意思的是

these people pretend to have these views because none of these people have suffered for their views. They don't even have real accounts. They don't even

這些人裝成有這些立場，因為他們沒人為這些立場吃過苦。他們連真帳號都沒有，連

have their face or their name on their account. They haven't been to jail. They haven't been locked in their house. They haven't had death threats. They haven't

臉和名字都不敢放。沒坐過牢、沒被關在家、沒接過死亡威脅、沒

had the government try and take their children from them. They haven't had all of their money stolen. They haven't had anything bad happen to them. But they

被政府試圖搶走孩子、沒被偷光所有錢、什麼壞事都沒遇過。但他們

expect you as a famous person to martyr yourself.

卻要你一個名人去當殉道者。

And I guess the real question is, do they actually genuinely expect that or do they just want that when they say, "Andrew, you should have doubled down.

我想真正的問題是：他們是真的期待這樣，還是只是嘴上說「Andrew 你該加倍強硬，

You should have done a salute." When they asked, "You should have gone up to the Miami and said, "Hail, and you know, I'm going to kill every Jew I see.

你該敬禮。」他們問「你該去邁阿密說『萬歲，我要殺光看到的每個猶太人」。

That's what you should have done, Andrew, or you sold out." They don't expect that. They want it because it's entertaining. We live in a world now

你該那樣做 Andrew，不然你就是賣了。」他們不是期待，他們是想要，因為有娛樂性。我們活在一個

where everyone is so bored and so numb and watching a famous important A-list celebrity like myself martyr himself for the same reason I'd have a huge stream

大家無聊麻木、看像我這種一線名人殉道的世界，就像我若自焚也會有超多人看直播——

if I set myself on fire. Hi guys, decided to commit suicide today. I'm going to set myself on fire. I'd break the records. So they want me to go out

「嗨大家，今天決定自殺，我要自焚。」會破紀錄。所以他們要我去

and commit suicide. And I have to be honest. Although I think the ADL have too much influence, although I disagree with everything the Israeli government

自殺。我得坦白說。雖然我覺得 ADL 影響太大，雖然我反對以色列政府

have done, although I think the genocide in Palestine was one of the most disgusting things we've ever seen.

做的一切，雖然我覺得巴勒斯坦的種族滅絕是我們見過最噁心的事之一。

If I was filming a movie with 300 film crew and one of them was Jewish, no, I wouldn't quit the movie. If a man comes

若我跟三百人劇組拍片、其中一個是猶太人，不，我不會退出。若有人

up to me and shows me respect and he's Jewish, I'm not going to punch him in the face. I'm going to treat him with respect because he shows me respect.

來對我表示尊重、他是猶太人，我不會揍他。我會尊重他，因為他尊重我。

Perhaps I'm not anti-Semitic enough for the internet anymore. I don't know. But I'm not going to change and bend on my views because there's a whole bunch of

也許我對網際網路來說已經不夠反猶了。我不知道。但我不會因為有一大堆

people who think I should. And I would like to actually talk to Nick about this and understand his point of view on this. I wonder what he would do in those

人覺得我該改就改。我也想跟 Nick 聊聊、聽他對這事的看法。不知道他在那些

scenarios. But I'm a big person and I'm not an internet streaming clown. I'm a genuine A-list celebrity. In fact, I've been told multiple times by many

情境會怎麼做。但我是個大人物，不是網上直播小醜。我是真正的 A 咖。其實很多人跟我說過好幾次，

different people that I am literally the most famous man in the world. I've been I've been told that. I was the most Googled man in the world. And after

我是世上最有名的男人。有人這樣跟我說。我是全球被搜最多的男人。關了

being locked in my house for 3 years, I thought, you know, everyone's over. And Tate, maybe it's all over. No one cares.

三年後我心想：大家忘了 Tate 了吧，也許都結束了，沒人在乎。

I can't go anywhere. If I walk down the street, I am flooded in every city on the planet. Everywhere I go. Today, I met Chinese Trump. You seen Chinese

我哪都去不了。走在街上，到哪座城市都被圍住。今天遇到 Chinese Trump。你見過 Chinese

>> No. He's a Chinese guy who does Trump impressions. I just met him coincidentially here in LA. And he says, "You have no idea how famous you are in

沒有。他是做川普模仿的中國人，我在 LA 巧遇。他說「你不知道你在

China." I like in China. He goes, "No." He goes, "No Westerners are famous in China, but you are." It's like, "Am I?" I met Steven Seagal's son who told me

中國有多紅。」在中國耶。他說「不，西方人在中國都不紅，但你紅。」我說「真的嗎？」我遇到 Steven Seagal 的兒子，他說

that his school project or the school project of all the young men in his school was about me and he goes to school in Ulan Batar, Mongolia. Like I

他的學校作業、他們學校所有男生的作業主題都是我，他在蒙古烏蘭巴託上學。我

can't go anywhere. So I am literally one of the most famous people on the planet.

哪都去不了。所以我真的是地球上最有名的人之一。

I'm not some nobody streamer who can do these silly things. I have very important things going on. I make hundreds of millions of dollars. I have

我不是什麼無名直播主可以亂搞。我有很重要的事在做，賺好幾億，得

to work with all sorts of people and some of them are Jewish. That's fine.

跟各種人合作，其中有些是猶太人。沒問題。

They know my point of view on Israel.

他們知道我在以色列問題上的立場。

They know my point of view on the genocide. They know my point of view on the ADL. But business is business. And they're like, "Okay, yeah, whatever. You

知道我在種族滅絕、ADL 上的立場。但生意歸生意。他們會說「好，隨便，你有你的

have your point of view. I have my point of view. We're all intelligent adults.

立場，我有我的，我們都是理智的成年人。」

We're rational. I disagree with them on loads. They disagree with me on loads.

我們講理。很多事我不同意他們，很多事他們不同意我。

We get things done. If I start walking around attacking Jewish people, how the does that work? That's not even rational." Someone said to me, they said, ' Andrew,

我們能把事做成。若我到處攻擊猶太人，那怎麼可能？連理性都談不上。」有人跟我說：

Dubai, the UAE, allows Jews into the country and they have a embassy for Israel. So, you can either be the UAE and get business done while publicly

杜拜、阿聯酋讓猶太人入境、有以色列使館。所以你要嘛像阿聯那樣，公開

opposing the Israeli government and get things done and be a rational actor, or you can be some extreme country, which makes you a poor little hole. And I

反對以色列政府卻照樣做事、當理性角色，要嘛當極端國家變成可憐小洞。而我

think these streamers just have nothing to lose. They don't understand how the world works. They're not actually famous like I am. They haven't been around

覺得這些直播主沒什麼好失去的。他們不懂世界怎麼運作，不像我這麼有名，沒混夠久、

enough or been offered anything of significance to truly understand how you must negotiate life as a man. And they've not suffered for their views. If

沒被開過夠份量的條件，不懂作為一個人你必須怎麼在人生裡談判。他們也沒為立場吃過苦。若

these people online screaming hail every 5 seconds and doing the salute and saying we need to gas all the Jews, if any of them mattered, they wouldn't be

網上那些人每五秒喊萬歲、敬禮、說要毒死所有猶太人——若他們任何一個有份量，就不會

>> But do you not think Nick Fuentes has suffered for his views?

但你難道不覺得 Nick Fuentes 為他的立場吃過苦嗎？

>> Absolutely he has. Nick is someone who has suffered, which is why I respect Nick. Which is why Nick, after the outrage of this little clip, said, "I

當然有。Nick 是吃過苦的人，所以我尊重 Nick。所以這段小片段引發風波後 Nick 說「我

totally understand Andrew's position, cuz Nick is a smart person." But then there were some other streamers who were pretending that they that what I did was

完全懂 Andrew 的立場，因為 Nick 是聰明人。」但有些其他直播主裝成我做的事

somehow wrong, but that's because they're nobodyies. Nobody's have a view.

somehow 錯了，那是因為他們是 nobody。Nobody 才有那種看法。

But Nick seems to understand me quite well and he's the most famous anti-semite of all and even he is saying I understand Andrew's position and he

但 Nick 好像很懂我，他是最有名的反猶者，連他都說我懂 Andrew 的立場，

has suffered for his views of course but even Nick is not that extreme. Nick tells people on his show don't go around screaming kill all the Jews. Don't go

他當然為立場吃過苦，但連 Nick 都沒那麼極端。Nick 在節目裡叫人別到處喊殺光猶太人，別

around saying don't let everyone know at your university you're an anti-semite.

到處讓大家知道你在大學是反猶的。

That's not intelligent. That's not smart. Whereas other streamers are saying no you need to tell them all to off all the time. You can't win

那不聰明。其他直播主卻說不，你得一直叫他們全部去死。那樣贏不了。

that way. You know, when you're actually a really important person in a in a culture war, and I am one of them, you win the culture war by pointing everyone

當你真的是文化戰裡很重要的人，而我是其中之一，你贏文化戰的方式是指引大家

in the correct direction and allowing momentum to do the rest. It is my job as the most followed man on the planet to 1% point in a direction. The matrix is

往對的方向、讓動能接手。我作為全球被追蹤最多的人，我的工作就是往一個方向指 1%。母體在

controlling your life. And I get people to think about it and then they research and then they work it out themselves. If I don't allow people to work it out

控制你的人生。我讓人去想，然後他們自己查、自己搞懂。若我不讓人自己搞懂

themselves and instead I explain it all, I get shot in the head. Then I can't help anybody. To win the war, it's my job to point people in the right

而是全講出來，我會被爆頭。那樣我就幫不了任何人。要打贏這場仗，我的工作是讓人往對的方向、

direction and let them do the rest. Now, some of those people who are pointed in the right direction are so silly and so stupid and so treacherous, they will now

剩下的他們自己做。有些人被指對方向後又蠢又壞，會反過來罵我「你只給了我開頭，沒給結尾。你是叛徒。」

turn around and yell at me, "Hey, you showed me the beginning, but you didn't show me the end. You're a traitor.

你是賣了。我給了你開頭。

You're a sellout. I showed you the beginning.

你懂嗎？若我全講出來，我就死了，就沒辦法再給任何人開頭。有人為更小的事死過。我認識底層和

Do you understand? If I show you all of it, I die. And I can't show anyone else the beginning. People have died for far less. I know pe at the bottom and the

頂層的人。我們剛看到 Charlie Kirk 吃了一顆子彈。他們試圖給川普一顆子彈。你覺得他們不會試圖給我一顆？

top. We just saw Charlie Kirk eat a bullet. We They tried to put a bullet in Trump. You think they're not going to try and put a bullet in me? You

你覺得他們現在沒有在考慮、計畫、想著這件事嗎？我們坐在這裡的此時此刻？

think they're not already considering it or planning it or thinking about it currently as we sit here right now?

所以任何坐著覺得我該殉道、該盡可能極端、說什麼都不能賣的人，他們自己只是

So for anyone who sits and believes I should martyr myself and I should just go as extreme as possible and anything to not sell out as they sit there as a

nobody，連這場仗都不懂。我夠聰明，一直夠聰明，知道有人冒著一切給我

nobody, they don't even understand the war. I am smart enough and I always have been smart enough to know when somebody who is risking everything to give me a

暗示，是在做他們不必做的事，我也懂他們站在對的一邊，因為我大可以閉嘴什麼都不說。

hint is doing something they don't have to do and I understood they were on the right side of the fight cuz I could just shut the up and say nothing at all.

絕大多數人都閉嘴了。99.9% 的人都閉嘴了。老實說我在街上受到的關注、知名度比幾乎所有

>> And so many people have >> and most people have. 99.9% of people have. Like honestly, I get more attention on the street and I'm more wellknown than nearly every

電影明星都高。現在是葛萊美。

single movie star. It's the Grammys now.

你列葛萊美所有人：Brad Pitt、George Clooney。

You get the list of everyone at the Grammys. Brad Pitt, George Clooney.

酷。其他我都不認識。我不知道這些人是誰。他們說「這位名人說了什麼、那位名人跟誰交往」。我不認識這些人。電影太多、Netflix 太多，人人都在

Cool. The rest of them, I don't know who the they are. I don't know who these celebrities are. They say, "Hey, this celebrity said this or this

拍電影。沒人知道。這些人誰都不重要。為什麼他們能拍電影我不能？因為他們閉嘴。為什麼我不是

celebrity is dating this person." I don't know who these people are. There are too many movies. There are too many Netflix shows. Everyone's in a

香水或服裝品牌的臉？我 demographic 對，年輕男生都愛我，會有好幾十億。為什麼？因為我不閉嘴。

movie. No one even knows. None of these people even matter. Why are they in movies and I'm not? Because they shut the up. Why am I not the face of a

所以我把幾十億推掉，某個蠢蛋坐在那說「你賣了，兄弟」。

fragrance or a clothing brand? I'm the right demographic. All the young boys love me. There'll be billions of generated dollars. Why? Cuz I won't shut

老實說 Jack，當這種事發生，你就懂為什麼大家都賣了。你會坐著想「我到底在為什麼奮鬥？

the up. So, I'm turning away billions of dollars and some dipshit's going to sit there go, "You sold out, bro." >> >> It's like, you know, the sad thing about

我幹嘛幫這些小醜？我給了他們開頭。兩年前是我喚醒全世界的，就我一個人。我為此坐牢、

it, truthfully, Jack, when that happens, you start to understand why everyone sells out. You start to sit there and go, "What the am I fighting for?

為此吃苦。我一個人做的。現在他們說「你給了開頭，沒給結尾。」因為你是叛徒。

Why am I trying to help these clowns? I show them the beginning. I was the one who woke the world up only two years ago. It was me. I went to jail for it.

你不能給結尾。

suffered for it. Me alone by myself. I did it. And now they're saying, "You showed me the beginning, but not the end." Because you're a traitor.

我不能給結尾。不是我不知道結尾。我不能給。我知道的遠比能說的多。但若

>> You can't show the end.

我說了，我們就輸了，因為除非我繼續給大家開頭，仗就打完了，他們會給我一顆子彈。所以讓我

>> I can't show the end. Not that I don't know the end. I can't show the end. I know so much more than I can say. But if

坐下來算我推掉的所有錢、所有紅毯、所有我本可以有的樂子、

I say it, we're going to lose because unless I keep showing people the beginning, the war's over and they're going to put a bullet in me. So it makes

本可以上 Jeff Bezos 的遊艇、本可以做這些事。我一件都沒做，因為我想讓人往

me sit and calculate all the money I've turned down. All the beautiful red carpet events, all the I could have all the fun I could have

對的方向。我得到什麼感謝？一年後終於飛到美國、跟幾個人碰面、他們放了首

had, could have been on Jeff Bezos's yacht, could have done all these things. I've done none of it because I wanted to point people in the

蠢歌，我沒說「對，毒死所有猶太人」，而是坐下來說「我懂這首歌為什麼冒犯有些人。不是我放的，我沒

right direction. And what thanks do I get? What thanks do I get when I finally fly to America after a year and I meet up with a couple guys and they play a

真的放那首歌。大家為這首歌 panic 不正好證明猶太人有權力嗎？你賣了。」讓你想：你知道我要

silly song and instead of saying, "Yeah, gas all the Jews." I sit and say, "Look, I understand why the song's offended some people. I didn't play it. I didn't

怎麼做嗎？我要賣。你知道什麼能給世界上一課嗎 Jack？就是我賣。若明天我拿五億支票去

actually play the song. Don't you think everyone panicking about this song just proves the Jews have power? You're a sellout." It makes you think, you know what I'm

拍好萊塢電影、刪掉 Twitter，讓這些可憐人看我的電影、付我更多錢、對我有他們的看法，

going to do? I'm going to sell out. You know what would teach the world a lesson, Jack? If I sold out. If tomorrow I took a $500 million check and went and

我可以穿 Versace、可以噴香水。我賣給你看。世界你繼續，我賣給你看。我是第一個、

made Hollywood movies and just deleted Twitter and then let all these poor people watch my movies and pay me more money while having their opinions on me

原版的自由戰士，而這些蠢無名直播主沒人理、只會坐在直播裡

and I can wear Versace. I can hoes and spray shampoo. I'll show you sellout. Continue world and I'll show you sellout. I was the first and

嘴砲、非得爭議才有點閱。

original freedom fighter and thinking these stupid nobody streamers who aren't a listen who no one gives a about them who just sit on a stream

原版的自由戰士，而這些蠢無名直播主沒人理、只會坐在直播裡

and run their mouths and have to be controversial to even get any views.

嘴砲、非得爭議才有點閱。

Thinking they are moving the needle is the biggest mistake you can make cuz they're not moving any needles.

以為自己在推動局面是你能犯的最大錯誤，因為他們根本沒推動任何東西。

I've had conversations in private rooms off camera that have moved the needle more than these clowns will ever ever move in their lives.

我在鏡頭外的私室裡幾場對話，推動的局面比這些小醜一輩子能推動的還多。

>> Yeah, it totally makes sense. And I'm honestly to prove your point further, I'm a little surprised at some of the things you've said thus far uh in terms

對，完全合理。老實說要進一步證明你的點，我有點意外你目前為止說的一些話，在

of how much risk I know it puts you at in doing this podcast. Like I'll transparently admit that I'm like a lot of people don't share the full truth cuz

我知道這讓你冒多大風險做這集播客。我坦白說，很多人不講全貌是因為

I do full research. Yeah. You know, and you're one of the few people who does >> at least gives hints. You know, our last episode, I don't know if you recall

我做足功課。對。你是少數至少會給暗示的人。上集我不知道你記不記得

this, but I asked you if you knew who was really in power. Would you say it?

這件事：我問你，你若知道誰真正掌權，你會說嗎？